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*** 3800 PCM Issue? *** by JSzpotek
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Report this Post07-28-2012 03:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JSzpotekSend a Private Message to JSzpotekDirect Link to This Post
I dont have a check engine light anymore when the ignition is turned, I don't have a spark (I believe I had one before) and I cant hear my fuel pump priming.

This was all after CTire sold me a IAC for a Grand Prix instead of one for the Northstar. Before the install of the Grand Prix IAC everything was working but the IAC itself (making odd ticking noises when keys were turned).

Once I installed the Grand Prix IAC I turned the engine over twice, after the second turn everything died. I realized quickly that it was a result of the IAC, changed back to the old IAC. The problem has not been solved and I've been going at this since 10 last night. I've check all the wiring, insured everything is plugged properly.

Wondering what are the chance that I fried my PCM? If not, what could I do to fix my problem.

Thanks for your time guys,
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Report this Post07-28-2012 04:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FIEROFLYERSend a Private Message to FIEROFLYERDirect Link to This Post
Double check all fuses and make sure you have +12 volts battery power on PCM C1 pin 20 and +12 volts ignition on pin 19 of the same connector to start with. Dan
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The PCM is NOT required for spark.

So if you have no spark, you have a problem that is not PCM related. On the 8 pin ICM harness to Engine harness do you have power on the pink wire key on? You should.
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Might I add, the starter has power.
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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

Double check all fuses and make sure you have +12 volts battery power on PCM C1 pin 20 and +12 volts ignition on pin 19 of the same connector to start with. Dan


 
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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

The PCM is NOT required for spark.

So if you have no spark, you have a problem that is not PCM related. On the 8 pin ICM harness to Engine harness do you have power on the pink wire key on? You should.


I`ll check both.

@phonedawgz : Isnt the ICM supported by the PCM?

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Report this Post07-28-2012 05:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
The ICM receives power directly on the pink wire. With just the crank pick up it will produce spark. The PCM has the ability to take over the spark advance of the ICM, but it is not needed for spark.
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Ok thanks!

 
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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

The ICM receives power directly on the pink wire. With just the crank pick up it will produce spark. The PCM has the ability to take over the spark advance of the ICM, but it is not needed for spark.


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Ok thanks! Got power to the PCM. The fuse didnt seem, visually, dead; when I test it there was no current. Replaced it, all is well. Going to test if I still have a spark now.

As well, where is the vacuum connection to the transmission on the 282 Getrag or do only automatics have vacuum?

 
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The ICM receives power directly on the pink wire. With just the crank pick up it will produce spark. The PCM has the ability to take over the spark advance of the ICM, but it is not needed for spark.

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There is no vacuum connection on a manual transmission.
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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

Double check all fuses and make sure you have +12 volts battery power on PCM C1 pin 20 and +12 volts ignition on pin 19 of the same connector to start with. Dan


Ok so I double check all the fuses, theyre all good and I was good for the +12 volts on pin 20 and 19 on C1. Still no spark, not sure what to check next?
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Report this Post07-29-2012 03:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
Do you have +12v on the pink at the ECM?

Pin A of the 8 pin ICM to Engine Harness connector - that passes through to pin P of the ICM itself.

No +12 there - you need to find out why and fix it.

Yes +12 there - A bad crank pick up, bad ICM, bad coils, or bad wiring.
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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

Do you have +12v on the pink at the ECM?

Pin A of the 8 pin ICM to Engine Harness connector - that passes through to pin P of the ICM itself.

No +12 there - you need to find out why and fix it.

Yes +12 there - A bad crank pick up, bad ICM, bad coils, or bad wiring.


I shall check tonight. Thank you phonedawgz.

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Report this Post07-30-2012 08:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JSzpotekSend a Private Message to JSzpotekDirect Link to This Post
Question as to what fuses I should be using? 3800 spec ones or just the stock Fiero ones?
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All your fuses are still the fiero ones, upgrade the two inj fuses to 20 amp fuses from the 5 they are factory. Dan
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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

All your fuses are still the fiero ones, upgrade the two inj fuses to 20 amp fuses from the 5 they are factory. Dan


I added the walbro 255 as well, do I upgrade from the f pump 10 to a 15?
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update, so far its the harness. theres no pin in A 8, I checked all the rest of the pins and theres misplaced wire. Its simply not there.
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Looking for a L26 ECM wiring diagram, anyone have one? been searching for a while and no luck so far.
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found the sinister post. nvm

 
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Looking for a L26 ECM wiring diagram, anyone have one? been searching for a while and no luck so far.


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