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'84 Headliner Replacement by smmilke
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Report this Post06-07-2012 04:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeDirect Link to This Post
I'm redoing the headliner on my '84 in suede, along with the back board and sun visors. I have run into a problem with the pieces that hold the headliner up in the back. Apparently the '84s used two little plastic clips (one of mine broke when I pulled the headliner) while '85s and up used coat hooks and what looks to be an extra brake light mounted inside the car? There's a good pic of the three pieces holding up the newer headliners in this thread https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...2/HTML/042788-4.html

I guess no one makes the plastic clips for the '84 anymore so I am debating what to do. If anyone knows where I could find one of these clips let me know. Otherwise were any of the fiero headliners held up by just the two coat hooks without that piece in the middle. Are these coat hooks available anywhere for a grey interior? Just out of curiosity what is that thing in the middle of the rear glass?
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Report this Post06-07-2012 05:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for E.FurgalSend a Private Message to E.FurgalDirect Link to This Post
post up a pic of the clip.. I doubt g.m. only used it in a fiero..
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Report this Post06-08-2012 06:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GraterFangSend a Private Message to GraterFangDirect Link to This Post
They are the same as (or practically identical to) the clips that hold the interior a-pillar trim on.

The a-pilllar clips can be bought here: http://www.fierostore.com/P.../Detail.aspx?s=82090

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Report this Post06-08-2012 09:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for E.FurgalSend a Private Message to E.FurgalDirect Link to This Post
good to know as mine is an 84
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Report this Post06-08-2012 10:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for crashyoungSend a Private Message to crashyoungDirect Link to This Post
When you are done, you can practice on mine!
Are you doing your visors as well?
NAPA can have those clips as well, just have to ask the counter guys to look it up.
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Report this Post06-08-2012 10:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GraterFangSend a Private Message to GraterFangDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by crashyoung:

When you are done, you can practice on mine!
Are you doing your visors as well?
NAPA can have those clips as well, just have to ask the counter guys to look it up.


Might depend on where you're at and who's helping you but I've had NAPA tell me twice they couldn't get them after looking through their books. If you have a Dorman part number or something of the like though feel free to share
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Report this Post06-08-2012 12:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for crashyoungSend a Private Message to crashyoungDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by GraterFang:


Might depend on where you're at and who's helping you but I've had NAPA tell me twice they couldn't get them after looking through their books. If you have a Dorman part number or something of the like though feel free to share



I will ask my body-man/son-in-law tonight, he knows where to get that stuff, course, we always save 'extra' parts left over...
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Report this Post06-08-2012 05:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeDirect Link to This Post
Here's a picture of the intact clip on my headliner. These are a little different than the ones on the door post and it doesn't look like they would be interchangeable.


If anyone knows where to find some coat hooks and if just two of those would work, I wouldn't be opposed to going that route.
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Originally posted by smmilke:

Here's a picture of the intact clip on my headliner. These are a little different than the ones on the door post and it doesn't look like they would be interchangeable.


If anyone knows where to find some coat hooks and if just two of those would work, I wouldn't be opposed to going that route.


Problem is the clip you are showing is not, in fact, intact...

If you were to break off the middle piece and bend it up then you'll end up with what you have there. I have a spare 84 headliner sitting out and its nearly the same clip as the a-pillar trim (though molded slightly different than the FieroStore style)

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Report this Post06-08-2012 06:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeDirect Link to This Post
The one in the picture does look in tact there's no fracture surface that I can see. If you're talking about using one of the ones from the door pillar with the stair steps on the end and just bending it up, that might do the trick if it doesn't break or continue to bend after install.
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This is how the clip is supposed to look when its actually intact (minus the nastiness and excessive glue of course).


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Originally posted by smmilke:

The one in the picture does look in tact there's no fracture surface that I can see. If you're talking about using one of the ones from the door pillar with the stair steps on the end and just bending it up, that might do the trick if it doesn't break or continue to bend after install.


No, I'm not suggesting you break a clip to use for the headliner. I'm just suggesting that, while you might not be able to see a rough break, your clip for the headliner is indeed already broken. I really doubt anybody would ever design a clip like the one you have shown in your picture as it would be incredibly weak and would give quite a bit (both during installation and use). Chances are, actually, it would likely break every time you tried to even install one as the plastic would have to bend nearly ninety degrees as you inserted it through the mounting slots. Go take a look at the mounting holes on the car if you are still skeptical.

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Report this Post06-08-2012 07:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for smmilkeSend a Private Message to smmilkeDirect Link to This Post
I'm starting to wonder if the headliner was attached two ways in '84. Assuming the clip I have is intact it fits into the slot in the roof no problem and looks like the headliner is meant to be pushed up (so the hooks protrude into the roof) then slid over to the narrower part of the slot, pic below. I took pics of broken parts of one of the door pillar clips and the broken part of my other headliner clip. These appear to be quite a bit different, perhaps one of us is not using stock clips on the headliner.


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Report this Post06-09-2012 02:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GraterFangSend a Private Message to GraterFangDirect Link to This Post
How would the hooks be slid over when they are on the upper side of an intact headliner? Every car I've ever been in there's no room to move the headliner side to side when its near the top and almost installed so you would have to move the clip itself. If it was even possible it seems the headliner would sag greatly even if you did get it installed. I'll admit that I don't remember the 84 slot widening out like that but I'm still not convinced they can be installed properly. The headliner is meant to be popped up into place.

Also, keep in mind that the "middle tongues" on the clips I have shown you are not actually attached at the base. That's part of the reason why you wouldn't see a "break" there if that's where you were looking for one. They are built that way so that they can give during installation and removal. However, they should not be bent out so far like the one you have shown. Perhaps I was misleading when I said your clip is "broken" as it could just very well be distorted out of its proper shape without necessarily having a "break". I would imagine that to have bent so much it would have at least had to have cracked but if the plastic wasn't brittle it could very well have just stretched. Also, you have to ask yourself, if your clip was indeed in good shape and stock, what are the odds that my clip would look exactly like yours if I was to bend it out of shape?

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Also, you are right that the clips aren't exactly the same. I alluded to it above but couldn't comment on whether or not that was because the FieroStore's clips were molded slightly different or not because I didn't have a stock a-pillar clip to compare the headliner clip to. Yet, If both clips in your picture were stock than we can probably agree that there are indeed some small differences. Regardless, the clips that I have show the same differences yours do and, teeth aside, side by side they appear that they should be compatible even though the middle "tongue" is slightly different. The a-pillar clip will probably be a slightly tighter fit and will even hold better (perhaps a redesign?). My guess is that the clip originally lacked the teeth so that the headliner could easily be popped down without breaking the clip (or the headliner). I would be happy to test it for you but unfortunately I don't have any cars to test it on right now.



You can see how they would easily be compatible in this picture. You'll have to account for the fact that I obviously wasn't able to hold them exactly side by side.

Also, here's another idea for you. Even if you are convinced your "hook" clip is stock, try using the clip that I'm suggesting is stock. You have the slim slot to install it in and they are available for purchase so you won't have to find some mystery fastener. Again, the only possible downside I can foresee with using the a-pillar clips is that they have the teeth which might make removing the headliner slightly more difficult. If you can find those clips without the teeth then that would be great, but otherwise, I would just be sure to reinforce the headliner where the clips attach. The clips will likely break when you try and remove them but that's what happens with the a-pillar trim pieces too. As with all plastic fasteners, they are meant to be replaceable so long as your headliner isn't what is breaking. If you can, you might even be able to slide them over to the larger slot to "release" them (perhaps that is what it was meant for) but I doubt that would be easy. More likely it was just meant to retrieve pieces of clips that already broke so they didn't rattle around your head while you are driving. How annoying would that be?

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Report this Post06-09-2012 07:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for E.FurgalSend a Private Message to E.FurgalDirect Link to This Post
nice replies..
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I see what you're saying now, it looked like your headliner clip was exactly the same as the ones on the pillar caps. It's definitely possible that the middle tab is bent, I can't tell if that's the case. I pulled the headliner out by sliding it side to side and getting the clips into the larger slot; the clips still hung up a little and that's why one is broke and the other may be bent. I've got some of the pillar cap clips in the mail and I might try using those. Are coat hooks available anywhere, Fiero Factory maybe?
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Originally posted by smmilke:
Are coat hooks available anywhere, Fiero Factory maybe?


Maybe but go ahead and make a post in the mall if you are looking for some. I'm sure you'll get some in no time.
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