i'm trying to do this without removing the motor mount, if at all possible. i tried the jack/wood block method and start caving in the oil pan like a pop can. the mount wraps around the bottom of the engine back to the alternator pulley, and the low/short side (passenger side) of the oil pan is hitting there before it will come all the way out.
I forgot you had an '88. The engine side mount bracket is different than it is for the early cars. I don't see how you can possibly remove the pan without removing the mount bracket on an '88.
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08:15 AM
Gixxer Quad Member
Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
I forgot you had an '88. The engine side mount bracket is different than it is for the early cars. I don't see how you can possibly remove the pan without removing the mount bracket on an '88.
crap... from looking at it, i was afraid of that... any tips for raising the engine since i haven't bought a hoist yet? this is insanely stupid to have to go through all of this just to get my pan off... i tried jacking a block of wood on the pan as was suggested earlier, but it seems to be of pretty light construction. would jacking on the trans lift the whole engine up? it looks to me like it'd just twist the engine downwards on the side i need raised instead.
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09:13 AM
Will Member
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If you have unbolted the rubber mount from the location on the cradle and unbolted the dogbone from the top of the engine, then jacking on the oil pan to raise that side of the engine should be fine. Use a wide block of wood under the pan to keep it from being dented by point loads from the jack.
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10:32 AM
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Posts: 179 From: Lebanon, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2011
If you have unbolted the rubber mount from the location on the cradle and unbolted the dogbone from the top of the engine, then jacking on the oil pan to raise that side of the engine should be fine. Use a wide block of wood under the pan to keep it from being dented by point loads from the jack.
This worked for me.
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01:09 PM
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Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
that's what i did, but it just started caving the pan in. maybe it'll be different with the dogbone disconnected, but i'm not sure how. that's a lot of weight to be supporting just with the oil pan.
Originally posted by Gixxer Quad: that's what i did, but it just started caving the pan in. maybe it'll be different with the dogbone disconnected, but i'm not sure how. that's a lot of weight to be supporting just with the oil pan.
As long as the block extends a little beyond the width of the pan and is moved towards the front end, that shouldn't happen unless of course you have the dogbone and forward dampener connected causing the car to be lifted. The oil pan bears the full weight of the motor in the salvage yard when removed without a problem so you should have no trouble at all here. I believe I used a couple of short 2x4 blocks to support the balancer against the cradle to remove the pan, I'm not sure considering it was about 11 yrs ago.
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07:39 AM
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Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
As long as the block extends a little beyond the width of the pan and is moved towards the front end, that shouldn't happen unless of course you have the dogbone and forward dampener connected causing the car to be lifted. The oil pan bears the full weight of the motor in the salvage yard when removed without a problem so you should have no trouble at all here. I believe I used a couple of short 2x4 blocks to support the balancer against the cradle to remove the pan, I'm not sure considering it was about 11 yrs ago.
ok, thanks for the placement tips. i'm hopefully going to get under there again either tonight or tomorrow. i hate working 12s all week long, no time to work on my baby.
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Jun 3rd, 2012
Gixxer Quad Member
Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
i'm out in the garage right now. got the dogbone disconnected, and the jack/wood under the pan. from the looks of it, i leave the mount connected to the cradle, and just remove the two bolts by the alternator and the two in front of the engine. sound about right?
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05:38 PM
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Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
crap. got everything ready to go, but the damn exhaust is in the way too. was gonna drop that as well, but it started raining and i had to move the quad back inside before i got a bunch of water in the throttle bodies.
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07:40 PM
Will Member
Posts: 14275 From: Where you least expect me Registered: Jun 2000
i'm out in the garage right now. got the dogbone disconnected, and the jack/wood under the pan. from the looks of it, i leave the mount connected to the cradle, and just remove the two bolts by the alternator and the two in front of the engine. sound about right?
No, you'll need to remove the mount and the bracket from the cradle. Take the rubber mount loose from the cradle. Take the bracket loose from the engine via the two bolts on the front of the engine. I don't recall if the alternator bracket needs to come off or not. I believe that the mount and bracket come off still bolted together.
Yes, you'll need to drop the exhaust. Sorry we missed that.
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08:52 PM
Gixxer Quad Member
Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
No, you'll need to remove the mount and the bracket from the cradle. Take the rubber mount loose from the cradle. Take the bracket loose from the engine via the two bolts on the front of the engine. I don't recall if the alternator bracket needs to come off or not. I believe that the mount and bracket come off still bolted together.
Yes, you'll need to drop the exhaust. Sorry we missed that.
i think i have it high enough to get it off without taking the mount completely off the cradle. it LOOKS that way anyway... lol... but the exhaust definitely has to come off, which i really don't want to do, since the bolts looks like solid rust instead of metal...
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09:49 PM
Jun 9th, 2012
Gixxer Quad Member
Posts: 265 From: peoria, il, usa Registered: Jul 2011
FINALLY!!!! after 3-4 weekends, and countless trial and error times of taking the pan off just to put it back on because it wouldn't come all the way off, it finally came off today. i'll include a good pic of where the wood goes for anybody else who tries to do this on an 88.
oil pan looks pretty clean to me. in direct sunlight there's a rainbow effect from microscopic metal particles but i'm not sure if this is normal or not. can anybody clarify for me?
same with the bottom end, it looks WAY cleaner than what i was expecting...
and here's the way/amount you need to put your wood blocks on an '88 v6 in order to get the pan off...
any tips for raising the engine since i haven't bought a hoist yet? this is insanely stupid to have to go through all of this just to get my pan off... i tried jacking a block of wood on the pan as was suggested earlier, but it seems to be of pretty light construction. would jacking on the trans lift the whole engine up? it looks to me like it'd just twist the engine downwards on the side i need raised instead.
This worked for me.
