Hello I am looking to do a swap from an automatic to
a 3800 series 2 with a 5 speed getrag. what additional parts will I need?
What will have to be programmed like the Iac?
has this been done with success or is this a hard process please share your experience

You will need the cluutch pedal assembl, Master/Slave/hydralic line, shifter, cables, axles, mounts, and a good clutch/pressure plate. The PCM will need the auto trans control deleted along with the normal reprogramming. 380SC/5 speed has been done many times, its a pretty common swap.

Well you actually have two seperate swaps going on there. The auto>>>manual swap and the 2.8>>>3800 swap.
Both are well documented here so I won't go into too much detail. My experience is limited to the supercharged 3800. All the following should still be the same though.

Auto>>>Manual
New pedal assembly
New clutch master cylinder
New hardlines under the floor
New shifter and surround trim
New shift cables
Steering column different - Auto has a cable to allow the starter to work when in Park. Manual has switch on pedal.
...and of course the transmission itself and the axles

Nothing needs to be reprogrammed that wouldn't normally need to be reprogrammed for the 3800 swap.

2.8>>>3800
With a manual, you'll need a Camaro 3800 flywheel.
You'll have to machine it down to 0.840 inches thick, if I recall correctly.
Stock trans mounts will be used.
New mounts and dog bone for the engine will have to be fabricated or bought.
The 3800 wire harness has to be reworked to interface with some of the Fiero connectors.
The PCM has to be reprogrammed.
New exhaust has to be fabbed up.
Coolant hoses will be needed but aren't too difficult.
Some people modify the Fiero thermostat housing to work on the 3800 but I just used the stock 3800 termostat housing. Burping the coolant can be a biatch though.
The stock mounting location of the alternator won't fit under the deck lid. Modify the deck or move the alternator.
The Fiero fuel pump needs to be replaced by a better fuel pump.

I'm sure I forgot something.

You might consider sticking with the 4T60 or a 4T65 automatic rather than swapping to a manual.
For what it's worth, my next one will have an automatic.
The 3800SC has enough balls that even an auto should be fun to drive. I find the manual to be a negative in the Fiero because the gear ratios are all wrong and I'm always worried about breaking the case in half if I beat on it too hard.

[This message has been edited by 2002z28ssconv (edited 04-25-2012).]

quote Originally posted by 2002z28ssconv: Well you actually have two seperate swaps going on there. The auto>>>manual swap and the 2.8>>>3800 swap. Both are well documented here so I won't go into too much detail. My experience is limited to the supercharged 3800. All the following should still be the same though. Auto>>>Manual New pedal assembly New clutch master cylinder New hardlines under the floor New shifter and surround trim New shift cables Steering column different - Auto has a cable to allow the starter to work when in Park. Manual has switch on pedal. ...and of course the transmission itself and the axles Nothing needs to be reprogrammed that wouldn't normally need to be reprogrammed for the 3800 swap. 2.8>>>3800 With a manual, you'll need a Camaro 3800 flywheel. You'll have to machine it down to 0.840 inches thick, if I recall correctly. Stock trans mounts will be used. New mounts and dog bone for the engine will have to be fabricated or bought. The 3800 wire harness has to be reworked to interface with some of the Fiero connectors. The PCM has to be reprogrammed. New exhaust has to be fabbed up. Coolant hoses will be needed but aren't too difficult. Some people modify the Fiero thermostat housing to work on the 3800 but I just used the stock 3800 termostat housing. Burping the coolant can be a biatch though. The stock mounting location of the alternator won't fit under the deck lid. Modify the deck or move the alternator. The Fiero fuel pump needs to be replaced by a better fuel pump. I'm sure I forgot something. You might consider sticking with the 4T60 or a 4T65 automatic rather than swapping to a manual. For what it's worth, my next one will have an automatic. The 3800SC has enough balls that even an auto should be fun to drive. I find the manual to be a negative in the Fiero because the gear ratios are all wrong and I'm always worried about breaking the case in half if I beat on it too hard.

You must use a 1988 Fiero oil pressure sensor if you want your interior center console gauge to work.

Fuel pressure regulator for the Series III. (creds to Darth Fiero)



Heater line pieces for 90 degree elbows with 5/8" barb adapters going into the elbows. (creds to Mattwa)

[This message has been edited by JSzpotek (edited 04-25-2012).]

I'd recommend going to the F23 if you are going to bother going manual. Then the setup would look like this.



EDIT: BE CAREFUL about those coolant elbows...I made those pictured, they didn't fit well in the engine bay because the 3800 is a different position on the cradle on a manual versus automatic swap.

[This message has been edited by mattwa (edited 04-25-2012).]

quote Originally posted by mattwa: I'd recommend going to the F23 if you are going to bother going manual. Then the setup would look like this. EDIT: BE CAREFUL about those coolant elbows...I made those pictured, they didn't fit well in the engine bay because the 3800 is a different position on the cradle on a manual versus automatic swap.

mattwa is right. The F23 is the best choice if you have the money and the time.

[This message has been edited by JSzpotek (edited 04-25-2012).]

quote Originally posted by JSzpotek: Fuel pressure regulator for the Series III. (creds to Hudini)

Actually that's my picture (Hudini got it from my website). The regulator shown in that picture is from a 3800 Series 2 SC fuel rail. I cut out the section shown from the S2 rail and flared the pressure line so it would hook up to the -6 AN T fitting. You'll need a 37 deg flaring tool and the correct -6 AN fitting and tube sleeve to do the job (+ the other fittings and such you'll need to complete the system).

-ryan

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[This message has been edited by Darth Fiero (edited 04-25-2012).]

quote Originally posted by Darth Fiero: Actually that's my picture (Hudini got it from my website). The regulator shown in that picture is from a 3800 Series 2 SC fuel rail. I cut out the section shown from the S2 rail and flared the pressure line so it would hook up to the -6 AN T fitting. You'll need a 37 deg flaring tool and the correct -6 AN fitting and tube sleeve to do the job (+ the other fittings and such you'll need to complete the system). -ryan

Sorry about that, wasnt aware, thanks!