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fuel pump - out of tank? by taps
Started on: 04-17-2012 09:50 PM
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Report this Post04-17-2012 09:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tapsSend a Private Message to tapsDirect Link to This Post
i search but came up with one thing that lead no where,
has any one come up with a relatively cheap and easy to do out of tank fuel pump?
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Report this Post04-17-2012 10:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for KhwSend a Private Message to KhwDirect Link to This Post
For which engine? The 2.5 4 Cyl. only uses about 11 PSI. A carb pump is about 7 PSI, so you might be able to find a external pump for a carb that has a slightly higher pressure and use it. For the V6, well that requires a hihger pressure and I'm not sure what's out there. Curious, if I remember correctly, the fuel pump on my 86 VW Golf was outside the fuel tank. I wonder what PSI it delivered? That'd probably be the best way to go if you really want to do something like this. Research which cars have a external pump and find one with a like PSI and CFM delivery.
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Report this Post04-17-2012 11:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for firejo24Send a Private Message to firejo24Direct Link to This Post
Just out of curiosity why an out of tank pump? One of the reasons for putting the pump in the tank is to increase reliability by keeping it cooler than just running fuel through it. Out of tank high pressure pumps have a much higher failure rate than in tank pumps.
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There are alot of options you can do an "inline" fuel pump but they are no where near as reliable as a intank fuel pump. You get true pick up and u get the fuel cooling your pump. An external fuel pump could have the possibility of over heating since its not getting cooled by anything except the passing through fuel, which isn't enough to keep the pumps cool. I have seen alot of external pumps crap out. Just go with the stock one, Or unless u want a more HP application go with a 255lph walbro ( thats what i did) little noisy but over my motor noise u cant hear **** :P
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Report this Post04-18-2012 06:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for spartan_chazSend a Private Message to spartan_chazDirect Link to This Post
well is there a way to make it so that to fuel pump actually picks up every bit of fuel thats in the tank instead of leaving like 2 gallons left when your car runs out?
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Report this Post04-18-2012 06:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by PR0X:

There are alot of options you can do an "inline" fuel pump but they are no where near as reliable as a intank fuel pump. You get true pick up and u get the fuel cooling your pump. An external fuel pump could have the possibility of over heating since its not getting cooled by anything except the passing through fuel, which isn't enough to keep the pumps cool. I have seen alot of external pumps crap out. Just go with the stock one, Or unless u want a more HP application go with a 255lph walbro ( thats what i did) little noisy but over my motor noise u cant hear **** :P


I'd figure the external pump would be cooled just as well as the internal considering it heats up from the inside out and is designed with that knowedge in mind. I run two Walbro pumps and can tell you first hand the internal Walbro pump is sensitive to low fuel levels by design, or flaw after I ended up stuck at a gas station after eeking out the last mile before stopping to refuel during a trip home to FL. It overheated. Never had that problem with OE pumps subjected to the same scenario.

I put the inline pump in at the gas station to keep me going, by the time I finished the in tank Walbro had cooled off and was working again. The inline pump was planned as a fuel flow augment for boost. It made the in tank Walbro about as quiet as a stock OE pump in the end since it bears the brunt of the pressure load now.

If you don't need it an extra pump may be more trouble in the end by possibly affecting your fuel pressure despite the regulator as I did notice a change in my fuel pressure on my electric gauge. I'd be concerned about the ability to use an external electric pump effectively without an internal since they are biased as pushers more so than pullers of fuel.

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Report this Post04-18-2012 05:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for firejo24Send a Private Message to firejo24Direct Link to This Post
Fuel left in the tank has nothing to do with where the pump is but rather where the pickup is. No matter what you do your going to leave some fuel in the tank. If your gauge still reads that there is fuel but you run out then there might be a problem with the strainer, a damaged tank or maybe even the wrong sending unit (there are two different tanks and if you put the sender for the smaller tank in the larger one it will read incorrectly and vise versa). Best practice is to not let it get to far under ¼ tank anyway. Electric pumps (in or out of the tank) don’t like running out of fuel.
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Originally posted by firejo24:

Fuel left in the tank has nothing to do with where the pump is but rather where the pickup is. No matter what you do your going to leave some fuel in the tank. If your gauge still reads that there is fuel but you run out then there might be a problem with the strainer, a damaged tank or maybe even the wrong sending unit (there are two different tanks and if you put the sender for the smaller tank in the larger one it will read incorrectly and vise versa). Best practice is to not let it get to far under ¼ tank anyway. Electric pumps (in or out of the tank) don’t like running out of fuel.


This is something that I check when installing the pump in the tank. For best results you empty the tank and adjust the sending unit float along with the pump inlet level in the tank when installed if there is a problem with gauge readings not associated with the gauge, you can bend both the level and the bottom stop for the pump and test it with a gallon of fuel and a multimeter for better accuracy being careful not to jam the pump strainer against the bottom or have the pump positioned too high on the mount, but yes you will always have some fuel in the tank and running it low on a regular basis will likely shorten pump life.
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