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Best mpg camshaft for iron head 3.1? by go_home_red
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Report this Post03-19-2012 01:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for go_home_redSend a Private Message to go_home_redDirect Link to This Post
I'm looking for suggestions on what camshaft will give the best mpg's in an iron head 3.1 engine. I found the following link while using the search function, and would like to know if anyone has any experience with the camshafts contained on the page (or any other camshafts!):

http://members.shaw.ca/bett...o/camshaft_guide.htm

I currently have a low mileage 3.1 with a H272 camshaft and will be doing some repairs. In it's current state, the engine would give 24-26 mpg on a good day. Since I do a lot of driving for work, fuel efficiency is more important than going faster at 5,000 rpm. If a stock Fiero camshaft would get the best mileage, I'm open to that, too.

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Report this Post03-19-2012 01:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for go_home_redSend a Private Message to go_home_redDirect Link to This Post
I guess I'll mention that I'm looking at the Comp Cams 240H, as it has a lower rpm operating range and I'm looking for the smooth operation (again, don't need fast, and I know I wouldn't get it with that camshaft) with good fuel efficiency and don't plan on doing any 4500+ rpm driving.
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One more thing worth mentioning--I'm using a 4 speed manual transmission. Most of my highway miles are at 60-65 mph, which is around 2500 rpm.
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Report this Post03-19-2012 04:00 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
I would suggest the Edelbrock 3790 camshaft. With my old 3.2 stroker engine and a Getrag 5-spd, it averaged about 34 mpg on a long road trip (about 6500 miles). It averaged mid-20s around town. The Edelbrock camshaft will put your peak torque in the 2000-4000 RPM range, which is good for everyday driving.
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Report this Post03-19-2012 04:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for go_home_redSend a Private Message to go_home_redDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the reply--and nice numbers! Out of curiosity, how does the Edelbrock camshaft, with its different intake and exhaust durations, compare to (for example) the Comp Cams 252H, which has equal intake and exhaust durations? Not sure I understand the reasoning for that, or what the effects are.
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Report this Post03-19-2012 04:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Francis TClick Here to visit Francis T's HomePageSend a Private Message to Francis TDirect Link to This Post
A different cam may help. but it's a lot work for a small return. With most cars, shifting a somewhat higher RPMs will improve gas millage, sometimes significantly whereas lugging an engine kills HP and gas millage. The 60 deg V6 with a stock intake negates using that method and will hurt gas millage as the engines get very above 4 - 4.5K RPM. With a stock intake the trick is shift before 4k while not lugging the engine. If you really want to get better gas millage, get yourself a good vacuum gauge and keep your manifold vacuum above 13", don't let drop into the single digits. That means, no shifting too soon, no pedal to the floor etc. Yeah, it's not much fun but it will save you lot of fuel.

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Originally posted by go_home_red:

Thanks for the reply--and nice numbers! Out of curiosity, how does the Edelbrock camshaft, with its different intake and exhaust durations, compare to (for example) the Comp Cams 252H, which has equal intake and exhaust durations? Not sure I understand the reasoning for that, or what the effects are.


As I understand it, longer duration exhaust helps scavenge the cylinder for the next intake event. This works best for a normally aspirated engine. A forced induction engine doesn't need the help from scavenging since the air/fuel is pushed into the intake stroke therefore an even exhaust/intake duration works best.

Also affected by duration is lobe separation angle which determines overlap. Narrower for N/A engines and wider for boosted engines. I've read the new Corvette with a supercharger has an LSA of 122*. I think most cams are in the 106-114 range.

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Report this Post03-19-2012 07:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 86 toySend a Private Message to 86 toyDirect Link to This Post
split duration camshafts generaly have a broader power band..I prefer this type of camshaft for any daily driven build and is all i use in anything i build unless i was building a drag car with a high stall torque converter

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Report this Post03-19-2012 07:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DooberSend a Private Message to DooberDirect Link to This Post
Good vacuum is a key detail, some miss this point, though it was already posted. I'm just reiterating.
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Report this Post03-19-2012 09:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for uhlanstanSend a Private Message to uhlanstanDirect Link to This Post
..Your best bet for MPG increase is to port the stock exhaust manifolds,if you have not done this,also use a turbo muffler (i use dynomax) It always helps to have a free flowing exhaust & add one of the EMC modified from another G.M car..
port match & Equalize throat porting with mild clean up of ports & bowl.


NO FIERO MODIFICATIONS CAN REACH FULL POTENTIAL IF THE STOCK
FIERO EXHAUST MANIFOLDS ARE LEFT STOCK,THERE IS BLOCKAGE..
When gas went to 50 cent a gallon people were shocked & vacuum gages were common to save expensive 50 cent a gallon gas..

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Report this Post03-20-2012 09:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
As mentioned above, the "dual pattern" camshaft will broaden the torque band. It will also help to maintain manifold vacuum. So it will idle smooth, and will have good throttle response. Drive it conservatively, and you should get good MPG results.
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Report this Post03-20-2012 10:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for lou_diasSend a Private Message to lou_diasDirect Link to This Post
Well, if you are really looking for economy in the long run, swap in a 6 speed...
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