Is there a away to turn the Front stock Turn signals and Parking lamps into Daytime Running Lights? of course with out messing up the side indicators and still leaving them fully operational when the parking lamps or headlights are on?

I always loved the way the DRL's on the Firebird and Camaro were the same as the parking and turn signals.

I have searched and have found many threads about adding DRL's but nothing about modding the stock lights to make them work.

I would want them to come on with the turn of the key also....any help would be great!

Yes, but there are two ways to do this, one harder than the other. The easy way would make all your exterior marker lights come on, but it would also make all your interior instrumentation lights come on too. The harder way would make just the exterior marker lights come on and you'd need to use the park light switch to turn on the instrumentation lights. I'll cover the easy way here, since you'll have to do pretty much everything stated below in either case. All you'll need is a 12V relay and a bit of wire. Here's what you'd have to do:

1. remove the headlight switch bezel from the instrument panel and unplug the connector;
2. using one of those little plastic wire splices (the ones with a small blade that cuts into a parent wire and a second wire to join them), splice a new wire onto the orange wire from the light switch connector. Then route the other end of the new wire to terminal 30 of your new relay;
3. using another wire splice connector, splice another new wire to the brown wire at the headlight switch connector. Attach the other end of this new wire to terminal 87 (not 87a) of the relay;
4. using another new piece of wire, connect one end to terminal 85 of the relay, and the other to a known good ground like some shiny metal nearby;
5. lastly, run a final new wire from relay terminal 86 of the relay to your fuse panel. At the fuse panel end, crimp on one of those common blade style electrical connectors (blue or red) and push the blade into either of the two bottom left corner slots marked IGN once you've swung the fuse panel down; and
6. reinstall the headlight switch.

With it connected this way, the lights will come on when you turn the key to the RUN position, but all your turn signals will still work the same. Also, you can still turn on the park lights by using the headlight switch like in the stock configuration too. Let me know if you want the additional info on how to wire it so that only your exterior lights come on with the ignition in RUN.

Thanks for that info.... I was just looking for a way that the front parking lights only will come on with the key in run not all of them... even leaving the side lights off....

Thanks

So how do you identify Terminal 30? I don't recall any numbers on relays I've looked at.

Arn

ya most aftermarket relays have all the terminals labeled. heck even most of the oems ones do to.

For ltlgt88: replace step 3 in my instructions above with the following:

3. Find the brown wire leading to pin F10 (it may be marked F0) on connector C100. C100 is the big firewall connector in the driver's side footwell, similar to C500 in the engine bay. (I can post a picture of the pinouts for C100 if you need it.). Cut the brown wire in the footwell leaving several inches after the connector. Tape up the end of the brown wire that disappears behind the dash. Splice a new wire to the end of the brown wire coming from C100 and connect the other end to new relay terminal 87 (not 87a);

By doing it this way, your front marker lights will come on anytime the key is in RUN, but will not come on if the key is OFF even if you turn on the headlights.

For Arn: The stock Fiero relays don't have numbers on the terminals, they have letters A thru E. If you buy any aftermarket automotive style relay however, they are all marked with standardized terminology. Terminal 30 is for power supply, 87 is the normally open (NO) load circuit, 87a is the normally closed (NC) load circuit, and 85 & 86 are the coil circuits used for the ground and 12V activation power.

Won't that turn on the front side indicators too...

This seems way over my head....never done electrical on a car..

Yes, the front side markers will also turn on, but I thought that's what you wanted. The instructions above only involve adding four wires, so it's not complicated. If you only want the front markers in the bumper to turn on, it's going to involve a lot more than that. The problem is that the front and side marker lights are not independently wired... the side marker lights use the filaments of the front bulbs as ground paths. Separating the circuits can be done, but if the instructions above scare you, then you certainly won't find it any easier to do what you want.

See http://www.webelectricproducts.com/
He sells DRL module... He's a forum member

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I dont know about every state, but in Ohio its actually illegal to drive with only parking lites on. I know lots of people do though. Why not just cut the parking lite wire out completely and just connect that pigtail at the light to the ignition ? You have your DRLs, all your turn signals and marker lites as before. Personally, I always thought DRLs were a dumb idea. If your concerned about people being able to see you, just turn on your lites. They tried it once back in the 60s and it flopped. My Caddy has them....theyre on whenever the ignition is on. Just seems like a bulb and battery waste to me....I pulled the fuse for them.

Using park/turn lamp as a DRL solution is legal in all states. Only bulbs is on in front.
And turn signal bulb/filament, not parking, is use DRL. FMVSS doesn't allow parking or fog lights to be a DRL.

All DRL rule in FMVSS, 571.108, S5.5.11

DRL in Fiero's turn signal? It works but...
Fiero park/turn is not made for turn signal to be on full time. Expect to find problems with heat in DRL use.

And note... DRL must turn off anytime Turn signal is on. Is why you need module, like Web Electric Products makes.

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(Jurassic Park)

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I have a 2000 Trans Am, and the DRLs use the bright "turn signal" filament, not the dim "park light" filament.

DRLs on / Lights off = bright filament lit
DRLs on / Park Lights only = bright filament lit
DRLs off / Park Lights only = dim filament lit (this can only happen with the parking brake is on - as soon as you release the parking brake, the DRLs turn on)
DRL off / Headlights on = dim filament lit

DRL on / Turn signal = bright flashing on/off
DRL off / Headlights on / Turn signal = alternating between bright and dim

So most of the time you're running with the bright filament. The only time the dim one comes on is with the headlights or if you're parked using the parking lights.
That said, it does create a potential problem - heat. It's a VERY common problem to have heat damage to the socket and bulb on the DRLs. My DRL socket looked burnt, and there was hazing and heat damage to the housing as well. I corrected it by replacing the housings and using LED replacement bulbs instead of normal incandescent bulbs. It works just he same, but gives off MUCH less heat. This also required switching to a different flasher so my turn signals would still work.

I've thought about doing DRLs on my Fiero, but I'd want to convert it to LED bulbs up front before I did.

Using LED in park/turn bulb in Fiero... Solve the heat problem But make sure front marker and park/turn will work normally.
See my cave, LED marker in lighting section.

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(Jurassic Park)

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I did this exact thing on my Suzuki motorcycle using two relays, was not terribly difficult but took a little time. Now the front signals are brightly lit all the time and blink OFF when the signal is applied.

One thing to remember, if you go this route, you will have to replace your flasher since the electrical load through your front lights now are going through the new relay, not the flasher - therefore, the flasher doesn't "see" the load from the front lights and thinks they are burned out, giving you the rapid flash. Fix is easy, just get an electronic flasher.

As for the heat problem, LEDs are the way to go. eBay is a good source for cheap LED drop ins. Just don't expect stellar quality - but for a signal light that's easily replaced, its no big deal. I would be more concerned if it were a hard-to-get location like behind the dashboard.

Don't cheap out on LED bulbs. You get what you pay for.
If you want cheap, expect dim, poor quality, and short lifespan.

I just installed the Web Electric DRL kit. Excellent kit with perfect instructions! Can anyone recommend a good LED replacement bulb for the parking/turn signal? Also was thinking it would look even better with a clear or white lens, I think I remember seeing TLG post a pic with a white lense somewhere on the forum but cannot find it on their website. Any ideas???

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quote Originally posted by JCircs: I just installed the Web Electric DRL kit. Excellent kit with perfect instructions! Can anyone recommend a good LED replacement bulb for the parking/turn signal? Also was thinking it would look even better with a clear or white lens, I think I remember seeing TLG post a pic with a white lense somewhere on the forum but cannot find it on their website. Any ideas???

You might consider the L.E.D. bulbs on ebay.Im not sure if this is the correct one (bulb #),I think you need a L.E.D. bulb thats designed for both trun and parking lights.Serch ebay for 24 L.E.D. Bulbs.They come in clear and amber.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-H...em2c64613a01&vxp=mtr

All Vehicles.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.h...&_osacat=0&_from=R40