I haven't bought anything from WestCoastFiero before but they have some items like you are wanting. Depending on what you are wanting to do exactly there are other solutions as well but this is at least a ready to bolt on option.
I haven't bought anything from WestCoastFiero before but they have some items like you are wanting. Depending on what you are wanting to do exactly there are other solutions as well but this is at least a ready to bolt on option.
WTF! $120 for a bracket/pulley!!! You could make one of $5 -Some 1/4" scrap steel plate -Cardboard to make your template -Sawzall, hacksaw, dremil, cutoff wheel -Drill & bit -Pully from the junk yard -Bolt/nut and some washers to shim it
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GraterFang Member
Posts: 1387 From: Grants Pass, OR Registered: Feb 2008
WTF! $120 for a bracket/pulley!!! You could make one of $5 -Some 1/4" scrap steel plate -Cardboard to make your template -Sawzall, hacksaw, dremil, cutoff wheel -Drill & bit -Pully from the junk yard -Bolt/nut and some washers to shim it
That's a bit more than $5 but yeah you are right, the cost is high for what it is. Hence the major reason I'd never buy one
Some people are willing to pay the money to just be done with a problem and not worry about it though. For those people, this is a completely reasonable option.
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Originally posted by GraterFang: For those people, this is a completely reasonable option.
"reasonable" is not the word I would have used; viable option souds better. As the price of that part is VERY unreasonable
Assuming one alrady has basic tool to make the bracket, $5 is about right. All you would really need to buy is the pully from the junk yard; most ppl who do swaps have a box of misc. unused nuts/bolts and a piece of scrap steel plate that size would prolly be a freebe from the recycler... But if all else fails, It would cost maybe $20 if you had to buy all the hardware... Either way $120 for a delete pulley is a rip...
"reasonable" is not the word I would have used; viable option souds better. As the price of that part is VERY unreasonable
Assuming one alrady has basic tool to make the bracket, $5 is about right. All you would really need to buy is the pully from the junk yard; most ppl who do swaps have a box of misc. unused nuts/bolts and a piece of scrap steel plate that size would prolly be a freebe from the recycler... But if all else fails, It would cost maybe $20 if you had to buy all the hardware... Either way $120 for a delete pulley is a rip...
Just because somebody has a swap doesn't mean they "do swaps". Like the OP, they may have purchased one.
Its just word choice but I still say its "reasonable" depending upon who you are considering as a buyer. Yeah, for the do it at home mechanic/fabricator its a ripoff. It might not be difficult to make but if you don't have much experience building things like that or you simply don't want to have to bother with it then yeah its reasonable. I guess you could try and have somebody local make one for you but any "professional" will probably charge you just as much or more to do the job unless you did a lot of the prep work for them. Not everybody wants to dick around with all of that though
By the same reasoning, why pay a few hundred dollars for a set of engine/tranny mounts? The raw materials are cheap and they're pretty easy to do if you "do swaps". Yet, some have still made pretty good money selling them so obviously there is a market for them and obviously there are enough people out there that feel just buying the part is at least somewhat reasonable. The same could be said for a lot of other swap "items" too.
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I have the basic knowledge and spare parts to make one, this is my first swap I may not buy it but It does give me an option incase I don't feel like tinkering. This car was a mess it still is. i found chicken wire in the muffler(i assume for noise) the muffler is welded to the side of the manifold, they cut the trunk open to make room for the muffler, there are wires everywhere if i had the money It would of been easier to buy a buick with 3800 sc in it and do the swap myself because I am having to trace everything. Last night hooking of the check engine light I find out that one of the fuel injector wires were connected to both the fiero and the buick computer. I wish I didn't have to work and i'd spend a straight week redoing everything. But luckily one of my neighbors has 3 fieros and gave me much needed information and this forum for help so I will stick with it and see this project through.
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Posts: 1387 From: Grants Pass, OR Registered: Feb 2008
WTF! $120 for a bracket/pulley!!! You could make one of $5 -Some 1/4" scrap steel plate -Cardboard to make your template -Sawzall, hacksaw, dremil, cutoff wheel -Drill & bit -Pully from the junk yard -Bolt/nut and some washers to shim it
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Originally posted by ALJR:
"reasonable" is not the word I would have used; viable option souds better. As the price of that part is VERY unreasonable
Assuming one alrady has basic tool to make the bracket, $5 is about right. All you would really need to buy is the pully from the junk yard; most ppl who do swaps have a box of misc. unused nuts/bolts and a piece of scrap steel plate that size would prolly be a freebe from the recycler... But if all else fails, It would cost maybe $20 if you had to buy all the hardware... Either way $120 for a delete pulley is a rip...
Sounds like you should start making them and sell them for $10. You'll make a killing.....
Kevin
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Posts: 104 From: Bear, Delaware Registered: Aug 2003
I have a 95 Riviera 3800 SC in my car too. You can simply modify the power steering pump and leave it there. Best part is it's free. Kevin
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By the same reasoning, why pay a few hundred dollars for a set of engine/tranny mounts? The raw materials are cheap and they're pretty easy to do if you "do swaps". Yet, some have still made pretty good money selling them so obviously there is a market for them and obviously there are enough people out there that feel just buying the part is at least somewhat reasonable. The same could be said for a lot of other swap "items" too.
Motor mounts are a tad more intricate than a single flat peice of metal plate w/ a pully attached to it, no?
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Motor mounts are a tad more intricate than a single flat peice of metal plate w/ a pully attached to it, no?
I guess its a matter of opinion but having basically built both of the items in question my opinion is that "no, I don't think they are", at least outside of the bounds of the price difference. I guess it depends on how intricate your mounts are but they tend to be pretty simple to build.
Plus, putting a pulley on a piece of metal is a bit of work, at least in my opinion. Getting the equivalent of a shaft with threads in it for the pulley to ride on and then making sure that it sits both parallel to the plate and then the correct distance away from the plate takes work. Yeah, its not overly difficult and in the end you still have a simple item but I wouldn't say its much less then what it takes to properly weld some 1/4" steel with holes in it around a poly or rubber bushing. Again, this is just my opinion I suppose.
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I guess its a matter of opinion but having basically built both of the items in question my opinion is that "no, I don't think they are", at least outside of the bounds of the price difference. I guess it depends on how intricate your mounts are but they tend to be pretty simple to build.
Plus, putting a pulley on a piece of metal is a bit of work, at least in my opinion. Getting the equivalent of a shaft with threads in it for the pulley to ride on and then making sure that it sits both parallel to the plate and then the correct distance away from the plate takes work. Yeah, its not overly difficult and in the end you still have a simple item but I wouldn't say its much less then what it takes to properly weld some 1/4" steel with holes in it around a poly or rubber bushing. Again, this is just my opinion I suppose.
I use a chop saw that can cut at any angle but for idler pulleys, a 90* cut is set and so simple to do. if anyone was to make a jig for these they could make a decent profit selling at $75. WCF makes some good stuff but is very expensive on engine swap parts. A guy in my club purchased their throttle cable bracket and IIRC it cost him $50. It was just a cut and formed piece of light steel.
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