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Body filler for roof panel? And how to fill spoiler holes in rear decklid? by go_home_red
Started on: 12-29-2011 11:56 AM
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Report this Post12-29-2011 11:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for go_home_redSend a Private Message to go_home_redDirect Link to This Post
I would like to do some body work on my '85 SE. The roof panel (the panel that has the sun roof) is flaking and has one area where the fiberglass is exposed:

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How do I fill this area? Is this where I would use the Fibreglass Evercoat 870 Vette Panel Adhesive/Filler that I've heard about? Or is there a lower cost alternative (I can't imagine how I would ever use an entire quart of that stuff).

Also, I have a good decklid that I want to use, but it has holes from a factory spoiler. I would like to fill the holes. What would be a good way to do that?
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Report this Post12-29-2011 12:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 85sliverGTSend a Private Message to 85sliverGTDirect Link to This Post
The hood, roof, and decklid are SMC, so yes those are what you want to use the Vette panel adhesive on and SMC resin if your fiberglassing
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Report this Post12-29-2011 01:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZSend a Private Message to RWDPLZDirect Link to This Post
The roof, hood, and decklid are all SMC, this would work on all 3:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/103013.html
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Report this Post12-29-2011 04:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for go_home_redSend a Private Message to go_home_redDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the replies!

Where the finish is chipping away on the roof--do I just sand/grind that back to where it's still solid?
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Originally posted by go_home_red:

Thanks for the replies!

Where the finish is chipping away on the roof--do I just sand/grind that back to where it's still solid?


Always grind the area where you're filling with a 24 grit disc - yes back to solid material.
EDIT: You'll want to pull the windshield trim out as well as the sunroof rubber. If the trim breaks the Fiero Store has factory-looking replacements. Don't put it back on until after the roof is painted.
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Report this Post12-30-2011 08:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by go_home_red:

Also, I have a good decklid that I want to use, but it has holes from a factory spoiler. I would like to fill the holes. What would be a good way to do that?


Ditto on the SMC Panel Adhesive. Good stuff.

On the holes, the problem will be that even if you sand it perfectly, the hole will pucker over time. You need to grind it a wee bit below surface and add some fiberglass screening or mat over the hole before you finish it off. This will prevent the puckering.

Hope this helps.

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Originally posted by Arns85GT:

On the holes, the problem will be that even if you sand it perfectly, the hole will pucker over time.


After several attempts to fill luggage rack and wing holes by different highly end, professional, independent body shops in my area, that are used to dealing with SMC, nothing seems to work perfectly for more than about two years. The methods used have included tapering out the holes to three or four times the original diameter, bonding in a mesh as a back stop, then filling and feathering as per any other SMC repair. Depending on several factors like how keen your eyesight is, the final color you choose, and on the degree to which you finish the paint, you may or may not notice the puckering. Black wet-sanded and buffed paint will show the most, lighter colors and a slightly orange peeled surface finish will show it the least, if at all.

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Report this Post12-30-2011 11:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
You don't put the fiberglass on the back as a backing. You put it over the hole on the finish side.

If you put on a small thumb nail size piece it could still pucker. You need to feather it out at least an inch on all sides with mat or screen.

In other words, for the 1 cm hole, you need fiberglass extending out at least an inch out all way round, even 2 inches.

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Report this Post12-30-2011 01:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tha DriverClick Here to visit Tha Driver's HomePageSend a Private Message to Tha DriverDirect Link to This Post
I didn't post this before because I (& a lot of others) have posted how-tos on filling the holes. Plus RWDPLZ posted a link above that shows it pretty well, & the product he used had chopped fibers in it. But here goes anyway:
Grind the holes out with 24 grit disc a good inch around the hole tapering it out. Grind down until the area around the original hole is paper thin (the bottom of the crater). Tape over the bottom of the holes if you can. Chop up some fiberglass mat using scissors to around 1/4" to 1/2" length strands. Really just a bunch of loose strands is what you need. Use the 'Vette panel adhesive/filler & mix in the chopped fiberglass & once mixed, mix in the hardener. Work it in the holes with as much pressure as you can, then smooth it out. Once dry, you can run over it with the grinder to take off most of the high shtuff, then block sand by hand starting with 40 grit & going to 80 grit. You can smooth it with a little 180 grit once it's flat. If there are indentions, grind them out with the 24 grit (yes I'm "really anal" about the things I do lasting for decades) & fill them with more filler & repeat until flat. Feather the paint around the area with a DA or random orbital sander & then I prime with PPF DP epoxy primer for maximum adhesion (you can skip that if you're not anal ) & then prime with a high-build 2K type primer. Once that dries, block sand with 180 (wet or dry) & re-prime. At this point you should have a perfectly smooth flat surface ready for sanding & paint. I prime the whole car with the PPG epoxy as a sealer before painting (but that's another tutorial).
If you like, & can get to the back of the holes, you can grind the back with the 24 grit & add a thin layer of filler/chopped mat for some reinforcement.
If you do this right, you won't have the holes "swelling" or "shrinking" (or "puckering") & the repair will last - that's right - for decades.
~ Paul
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Report this Post12-30-2011 08:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dochollidaySend a Private Message to dochollidayDirect Link to This Post
Maybe you should just put a wing on it. I have an extra one here that has been primered and is ready to paint. If you wanted it for shipping cost plus about $15 (about what it would cost me to securely package it), I would send it your way and it would probably save you a lot of time.

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