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rear suspension "chirp" noise by 2.5
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Report this Post04-21-2011 01:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
Formula.. so 88 suspension, all stock, whenever an abrupt bump is hit the rear suspension squeaks, like a chirp sound. Seems like drivers side. Sounds like maybe metal on metal. Can't re- create it in the garage. The struts are original with 76k on them but great shape.
Any ideas?
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Report this Post04-21-2011 02:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for br1anstormSend a Private Message to br1anstormDirect Link to This Post
I have an 88 Formula which suffers the same symptom. There is a useful article by Jeff Reuter of the Michigan Fiero club which explains the problem and suggests solutions. See http://www.michiganfieroclu...les/88suspension.pdf

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Report this Post04-21-2011 02:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for dobeySend a Private Message to dobeyDirect Link to This Post
Exhaust hangers? They have a tendency to chirp over bumps, especially after aging and getting a bit of surface rust on the springs and the contact areas.
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Report this Post04-21-2011 03:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by br1anstorm:

I have an 88 Formula which suffers the same symptom. There is a useful article by Jeff Reuter of the Michigan Fiero club which explains the problem and suggests solutions. See http://www.michiganfieroclu...les/88suspension.pdf

Good luck!


Thank you!

It says:
"The source of the annoying chirp is the sway bar bushings. In the
1988 model year, the Formula and GT models were equipped with
front and rear sway bars. The factory bushings degrade over time
and tend to dry up."

I will try silicone spray on the bushings 1st. I seem to currently only have the sounds coming from teh drivers side rear.
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Report this Post06-21-2011 10:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
Hmmm, revisiting this. I took off the body mount sway bar bushings and have replacements on order. I drove the car around a bit with the body mounts for the sway bar off, so there should be no "torquing" of the sway bar with only the end links hooked up.

It still chirps!

If it is an exhaust hanger I wonder what can be done about it? Trying to recreate it in the garage has proven very difficult (hasn't happened yet).
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Report this Post06-21-2011 10:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Direct Link to This Post
Maybe you should disconnect the shocks and drive around next.

just curious if you noticed any handling difference with the sway bar disconnected.
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Report this Post06-21-2011 11:12 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Gall757:

Maybe you should disconnect the shocks and drive around next.

just curious if you noticed any handling difference with the sway bar disconnected.




Yea, it kinda felt like my 2m4 which has no rear sway bar. However I did not push it by cornering hard or anything
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Report this Post06-21-2011 12:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZSend a Private Message to RWDPLZDirect Link to This Post
Remove the bar and links entirely. Also make sure the really long bolts are tight.
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Report this Post06-21-2011 12:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for kennnSend a Private Message to kennnDirect Link to This Post
My Formula has not what I'd call a "chirping" sound, but a clicking sound. Could the sound you hear be interpreted as a clicking sound? Curious.

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Report this Post06-21-2011 01:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by kennn:

My Formula has not what I'd call a "chirping" sound, but a clicking sound. Could the sound you hear be interpreted as a clicking sound? Curious.

Ken


No, really a very short loud sqeak, or loud chirp is the best way I can describe it. Does your click happen when you hit an abrupt bump such as a pothole, or crack such as uneven roadway, and come from the rear of the car? Thats when mine does it.
Clicking could be brake pads jiggling...

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Report this Post06-21-2011 01:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post

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Originally posted by RWDPLZ:

Remove the bar and links entirely. Also make sure the really long bolts are tight.


The long bolts that I suppose are the "links"? They are for sure tight. I actually tried to loosen one and it was very difficult, so I stopped trying for now, as I was afriad it might break and then I'd be buying new ones. You thnk they could be squeaking without the mounts hooked up?
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Report this Post06-21-2011 07:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NullHeadSend a Private Message to NullHeadDirect Link to This Post
Well even if it's not torquing, the links will still move up and down. Shoot some silicone spray on the links and find out!

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Report this Post06-21-2011 09:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MeAndMyFiSend a Private Message to MeAndMyFiDirect Link to This Post
Im having the similar thing happening to my 86gt in the front with is annoying but has all newer poly bushings. Although they are newer my beliefs is that its my bushings needing a slight bit of grease also see if there is any play in your strut mounts with is kinda that annoying sound aswell. If you jack the car up see if the tops move alot.
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Report this Post06-21-2011 10:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt28Send a Private Message to fierogt28Direct Link to This Post
I had this problem months ago with my 88GT. I changed all the rear suspension link bushings and installed 2 monroe sensa-trac struts. The chirpping sound is gone.

You have to realize that my fiero had the original old bushings and struts. Make sure when you installed new poly bushings, grease the bushing surfaces very well. Get some extra poly grease. I did. Do it right the first time so you won't have to re-grease the whole set-up.

For the 88 struts assembly, I used 2 ratchet straps to compress the spring to install the strut. No need to get / buy a strut compressor tool.

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Report this Post06-22-2011 08:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2.5Send a Private Message to 2.5Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by NullHead:

Well even if it's not torquing, the links will still move up and down. Shoot some silicone spray on the links and find out!



Been there and done that a few times already, no difference.

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Originally posted by fierogt28:

I had this problem months ago with my 88GT. I changed all the rear suspension link bushings and installed 2 monroe sensa-trac struts. The chirping sound is gone.



Thanks. My struts work well, I wonder where they could sqeak? The top bolts are tight also as someone mentioned as a possibility.
Shute, so having replaced all that, you don't really know then if it was a strut noise, or any one of the bushings I suppose.

I guess replacing links is next if it keeps on, can a guy buy just bushings for the links?

I have hosed all the rear suspension bushings and the tops of the strut springs (from the underside) with silicone spray lube and it also seemed to make no diff.

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Report this Post06-22-2011 09:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1fatcatSend a Private Message to 1fatcatDirect Link to This Post
Try wiggling your tail pipe to check exhaust hanger springs. EDIT: With cold engine.

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Originally posted by 1fatcat:

Try wiggling your tail pipe to check exhaust hanger springs. EDIT: With cold engine.



Tried that to, no noise. Suppose could be sway bar links not sure how as they'd have to twist to get any sound...
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Report this Post06-22-2011 04:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Gall757Send a Private Message to Gall757Direct Link to This Post
I think you have too much faith in your good looking struts. There are all kinds of little parts that could chirp inside those things.
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Maybe it's itching noise from the trunk lid rubbing somewhere? Or the luvers? Try removing luvers and prop trunk partially open with 2x4, then tie trunk down tight to the board and go for a drive?
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Report this Post06-24-2011 10:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FTF EngineeringSend a Private Message to FTF EngineeringDirect Link to This Post
Chirp on compression of the 88 rear suspension? It's the original factory struts.

It's not sway bar bushings.
It's not exhaust hangers.
It's not brake pads.
It's not parrots.

It's the struts.

They work fine, but they "CHIRP!!"

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