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Loose sloppy steering. What are some likely causes? by TheRealShadowX
Started on: 04-04-2011 04:03 PM
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Report this Post04-04-2011 04:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealShadowXSend a Private Message to TheRealShadowXDirect Link to This Post
The car: 1985 GT

The symptoms: Steering has noticeable play at freeway speeds, I feel like I'm having to focus too much on keeping the car between the lines at freeway speeds. It's not horrible (yet) but it is there. I can feel the car start to lightly drift one way, and when I correct, it drifts the other way. Kinda makes freeway driving uncomfortable, and I fear dangerous. I jacked up the car, and found noticeable play in the passenger wheel with the hands at 3 and 9. I believe this means the inner tie rod is shot? Is that right? No real movement on the driver side, but I will probably just replace that side too, because if I don't know, I will in a week.

Thoughts? Things I should check? Info I can give to aid in diagnosing this? Let me know!

Thanks in advance!

Edit to add that this loose feeling isn't great enough for the passenger to notice, but is only felt by the driver. On several occasions, I have asked passengers if they could notice any deviation and they said I was crazy. But Being the one holding the wheel it is a different story. It's just enough to be a minor nuisance, but like I said, I'm afraid this could be dangerous,so it's time to get it fixed.
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A worn rack bushing will allow toe changes, that will give the symptoms you list. Also, toe-out will make the car feel twitchy and unsettled. See if you can move either tie rod up and down where it enters the rack. Http://www.rodneydickman.com sells replacement bushings.
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Report this Post04-04-2011 05:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
Low tire pressure can do it

Bad rear tie rod ends can also.

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Report this Post04-04-2011 07:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
bad rack gears, shocks, tires, ball joints, bushings....one or any of the above. Could just need an alignment too.
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Report this Post04-04-2011 07:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DodgerunnerClick Here to visit Dodgerunner's HomePageSend a Private Message to DodgerunnerDirect Link to This Post
Check out for any loose parts and then have alignment checked.
Check for loose cradle bolts also.
Bad rear toe as well as front toe and caster. Not enough caster can make a car feel very squirrelly.
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Report this Post05-05-2011 11:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TheRealShadowXSend a Private Message to TheRealShadowXDirect Link to This Post
Well, getting ready to tackle this soon. Took some pics and videos of the suspect front pass. wheel. I believe this wheel wandering is the cause of my symptoms. What do you guys think?

Pic of the whole assembly.


Not too sure what I'm looking at here, looks like the sway bar end, but I don't like the way that looks.


Yikes! look at that rusty brace! There's nothing left! The other side is still solid. Whatever....


Not liking the look of this very much either....


And the videos.. They're short, so PLEASE watch them! The second one really scares me, that's why this car almost never sees freeway. (Shudders...)



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Report this Post05-05-2011 12:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
What you need to do is have someone shake the wheel and you need to determine where the slop is coming from

Inner tie rod end?

Outer tie rod end?

Ball joint/A arm bushings (not likely for the movement shown)

Steering rack bushing?

Rusted out rack mounts? (prob not)

Put the car up on stands and take the boot off of the that end of the steering rack. Have someone shake the wheel back and forth as you did an see where the movement is coming from. A worn out steering rack bushing can allow that end of the rack to move up and down and give you slop. Good news is with that much you should be able to identify where the slop is.
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Sway bar bushing - yeah that is kinda how they all look. You can replace them but it's doubtful that you will feel any difference.

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Report this Post05-05-2011 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rourke_87_T-TopSend a Private Message to rourke_87_T-TopDirect Link to This Post
Take the wheel off, check if the upper control arm, if it has a lot of slop in the upper control arm. if the upper bolt wiggles a good amount it's because the sleeve that the bolt goes through is egged out.
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Because the upper bolt is harder steel it wears out the softer steel on your front crossmember sleeve, when you remove the bolt you will see it will be shiny and worn on the ends from oscillating in the crossmember sleeve. I went through this last year on one of my cars, I strongly suspect that is your issue. I e-mailed Rodney about redesigning the upper bracket that attaches to the spaceframe to hold the bolts on the outer ends to help prevent them from oscillating as much. Crossmember sleeve is like a weak wrist , too small. or a small hinge on a heavy door. I had to replace my entire front crossmember. had to edit a couple times to best explain.

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