Hey Guys! Im new to the forum, and id like to introduce myself before i ask my question. I used to be a mechanic but the job got to me. After working on cars all day for Classic ( a dealership in my erea ) i wasnt about to come home and work on them for fun. Working on cars was my only hobby until then. So needless to say, i moved on to a heavy equipment job. After a year or two, the passion for tinkering came back to me. I used to have an 84 2M4 that i messed around with, but ended up getting rid of it. Now im currently trying to off my 87 Z28 project, and get back into the Fiero scene. So........ on to my question. Ive read nearly every L67 build on this forum for research, but havent got an all out answer. What would be the best Cam to go with if im looking to put together a 350 - 375 HP SC L67. I want the performance but IT HAS TO HAVE a nice lope. I want this thing to sound like a thumper cam in a stroked 383 ci.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVAC10YJcY8
This one sounds close to what im looking for, but again, i dont want to sacrafise performance, and dependability is a must. At the moment the plan is to have a motor, and trans put together before i purchase the car. Looking for southern 87, or 88 GT.
Thanks guys! I tried to put a pick in my Profile, but for some reason, even after ive resized it, im not able to post it. Maybe somebody could help?

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J. Cummins

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

Sounds like you want a NIC cam. Might be a little loud with the short exhaust.

I had NO idea an L67 could sound like that. I can tell you that COMP's L67 cam sounds way tamer than that.

quote Originally posted by 1fatcat: Sounds like you want a NIC cam. Might be a little loud with the short exhaust.

Id say your exactly right on that. That thing sounds beautiful. Thanks. Im new to the Fiero thing, so i still have a lot to learn. On the comments, there seems to be a little discrepancy on the cams performence. Ill have to do some research, but thats the lope im looking for non the less.

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

the NIC cam requires a super careful tune or it can blow your engine up

I have the NIC cam in my newly reinstalled 3800sc in my Fiero. This cam definitely has the heavy lope to it and makes great power.

Your not going to "blow up" your motor. You will need to get a wideband O2 system and a live tune, not a mail order one so your best bet is to buy a powertuner. It is possible to damage the motor internally if you run the motor hard without tuning it, but I have been driving mine around for weeks just having made some simple adjustments, but definitely not fully tuned and I just dont take it over half throttle.

I will try to post a vid of my car's idle, it sounds really good.

-Joe

quote Originally posted by joesfiero: I have the NIC cam in my newly reinstalled 3800sc in my Fiero. This cam definitely has the heavy lope to it and makes great power. Your not going to "blow up" your motor. You will need to get a wideband O2 system and a live tune, not a mail order one so your best bet is to buy a powertuner. It is possible to damage the motor internally if you run the motor hard without tuning it, but I have been driving mine around for weeks just having made some simple adjustments, but definitely not fully tuned and I just dont take it over half throttle. I will try to post a vid of my car's idle, it sounds really good. -Joe

From zzp's website " *This cam has a lot of valve overlap and requires great care in tuning. While it supports smaller pulleys on pump gas than any available cam in our market, it also can be dangerous if not tuned properly. We have had an untuned car with a 3.4" pulley chip a piston running this cam. This cam works excellent on stock or ported heads and was designed for customers who want a very lopey idle and do not plan on intercooling. Wideband tuning is required, because the cams large overlap makes the narrowband voltage inaccurate to tune with."

While I agree with you on what you need to do to get it right, I would point out that even zzp says it can chip a piston if not tuned correctly.

On a sidenote, how you liking it? I've always wanted to see what one did for a 3800 in person.

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Yeah, I guess it's not a great cam. I was just reading the manufacturers site and they pretty much tell you they recommend one of their other cams over this one. That's too bad, it does sound nice.

quote Originally posted by jasonfox: the NIC cam requires a super careful tune or it can blow your engine up

whaaaaaat?

Its a very small cam.. and I can easily attest to putting like a billion tunes that I knew were wrong just testing things...

Keep those sound clips, and cam info coming guys! Yea, the idle sounds great, but were starting to tap into the dependability here. Im good at mechanical work however, tuning is something that im not great at. Im thinking because of how tempermental this cam would be, though it sounds great, it probably wont be on my list of options.

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J. Cummins

quote Originally posted by joesfiero: I have the NIC cam in my newly reinstalled 3800sc in my Fiero. This cam definitely has the heavy lope to it and makes great power. Your not going to "blow up" your motor. You will need to get a wideband O2 system and a live tune, not a mail order one so your best bet is to buy a powertuner. It is possible to damage the motor internally if you run the motor hard without tuning it, but I have been driving mine around for weeks just having made some simple adjustments, but definitely not fully tuned and I just dont take it over half throttle. I will try to post a vid of my car's idle, it sounds really good. -Joe

I wouldnt even say you need a live tune if you dont want to get one

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: whaaaaaat? Its a very small cam.. and I can easily attest to putting like a billion tunes that I knew were wrong just testing things...

Well, my apology for spreading around the information from the manufactures website then.

quote Originally posted by jasonfox: Well, my apology for spreading around the information from the manufactures website then.

Hey, ill take all the FACTS i can get! Greatly appreciate it! Im not going to build a motor on opinions. All the facts, and coments will be researched, and taken into consideration. Thanks again!

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

If you want a big cam get the xpz or the intense stage 3 or 4. The nic doesn't impress me and in the grand prix world isn't ran often. Im going to be running a stage 1 x cam from intense in my GTP and it should make about 300 whp when said and done. But the nic is one of the lopiest. If you want insane lope check out the thrasher race cam also. Here is the thrasher cam in my friends GTP idle at about 700 but it was cold out. Still pretty nice sound
http://www.youtube.com/watc...youtube_gdata_player

[This message has been edited by clintyrd skynyrd (edited 04-03-2011).]

quote Originally posted by clintyrd skynyrd: If you want a big cam get the xpz or the intense stage 3 or 4. The nic doesn't impress me and in the grand prix world isn't ran often. Im going to be running a stage 1 x cam from intense in my GTP and it should make about 300 whp when said and done. But the nic is one of the lopiest. If you want insane lope check out the thrasher race cam also.

So.... the You tube vid that i posted, isnt that a Forum member? I thought i seen him on here a time or two? what cam is he running, as well as the rest of his set up? Not looking to copy, just curious. Hes not as stought as id like to be, just trying to get a feel for where i need to be.
Oh Clintyrd, looked up a couple vids on those cams, not bad! Sounds a little like the cam in my vid that i posted. Thats why i asked about his set-up

So in the vid that you posted of your buddy's car, which cam is he running?

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

I think your biggest hurdle is going to be making that kind of power on an M90 blower, unless you intercool and do some extensive head work. A cam will make it sound nice at idle but they all sound like poop above that.

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quote Originally posted by Justinbart: I think your biggest hurdle is going to be making that kind of power on an M90 blower, unless you intercool and do some extensive head work. A cam will make it sound nice at idle but they all sound like poop above that.

For some time now, ive had my eye on the head, and cam packages from the Thrasher sight. Any opinions on these? Anything better out there?

quote Originally posted by clintyrd skynyrd: If you want a big cam get the xpz or the intense stage 3 or 4. The nic doesn't impress me and in the grand prix world isn't ran often. Im going to be running a stage 1 x cam from intense in my GTP and it should make about 300 whp when said and done. But the nic is one of the lopiest. If you want insane lope check out the thrasher race cam also. Here is the thrasher cam in my friends GTP idle at about 700 but it was cold out. Still pretty nice sound http://www.youtube.com/watc...youtube_gdata_player

The NIC is not even remotely designed to be a killer cam... as I already said, it is quite small. For people that do not want an intercooler on their supercharged cars.. it works excellently.

As far as it being "not run much" in the wbody world... I am pretty sure it is the most desirable cam on the market right now, and I know zzp would confirm this.

"insane lope" is not really possible on a 3800, without a killer strong timing chain, and even then I wouldnt suggest doing it. I idle all of my cars at a stock sounding 900-1100 rpms to increase timing chain life. Aside from the fact I have collected a few double chains over the last 5 years, I probably would never be running anything fancier than stock.

quote information from the manufactures website the

People holding the laptop 300 years ago when they first released that didnt know what they were doing, and things got bad after they got it "looking good' then sending people on their way. There are about 3 different techniques people use today to prevent that from happening... I would not really be that afraid sending someone a bench tune for a typically built NIC setup... I have tuned a few and they were very close to stock. The last one I did, I put MANY different tunes on at the track after my first baseline, and none of them yielded improvements.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: Thrasher has been out of business for at least 5 years now.

Really!!!! Jeez oh man, were the heck have i been. Ha! Any other sights with packages like they had?

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

I wouldnt be too afraid of the NIC cam, if you are wanting that kind of power than you will need to get a tuner and familiarize yourself with it anyway. Tuning the motor to a specific build is the only way to squeeze every ounce of power out of the motor and a wideband is going to be very helpful as well so you are already going to want those two things that you need to properly run the NIC cam anyway.

and Jasonfox, I wasnt calling you out just pointing out that yes the motor COULD get damaged (by chipping a piston or other) but that is much different than telling someone they are going to blow their motor up. Like I said I am happily driving my car around just keeping my foot out of it until I do tune it properly. I have the tuner and WB, just not the time right now.

The ZZP website also claims to see a 40hp gain over stock with just the NIC cam, so it may not be the biggest cam out there but it does put out decent numbers.

-Joe

quote Originally posted by Jeromey Cummins: Also, i absolutely love the sound of the SC, and want people to know that there is one under the cover. Ive seen some quieter than others. Is there a way to make them louder, or quieter or something?

Yes, you can make them louder. But in a Fiero, you might not want to do that. It's already going to be a lot louder than stock because the air box doesn't get used. That box is designed to muffle the intake noise. Also, the air filter (main source of supercharger whine sound) is usually positioned pretty close to the driver.

I appreciate the response. I guess we have a different definition of what constitutes blowing an engine to **** . To me the risk of any internal damage is just unacceptable without taking allot of precaution to prevent it.

I had planed on Dynamating the interior. Does this make a reasonable difference in these cars? I assumed that would keep most of the Charger noise at bay.

[This message has been edited by Jeromey Cummins (edited 04-03-2011).]

The NIC might be desirable, but from personal experience on many wbody forums its usually the typical xp/s1x 105 spring setup tons of people run. I'm not discounting the cam it works great and is dyno proven to make great power without use of an intercooler hence the name.

Oh and the cam in that video is the Thrasher Engineered Performance cam. By the way Darkhorizon I'm Lsick7 on GPF.

The Gen V M90 found on 2004+ motors is supposedly louder than the Gen 3s (1996-2004) I had the Gen 3 last year and swapped over to the Gen V this year and I do think it is a bit louder, especially at idle it is like a high pitched whistle. On either design there are silencer ports on the bottom of the unit that look like slits next to the outlet, filling these ports in will yield a louder SC. Also, dropping pulley sizes will spin the blower faster resulting in more SC noise as well, but you should be careful dropping sizes and scan and tune as necessary.

-Joe

Why is nobody hot on the ZZP XP Cam?

I always heard that was the most radical cam out there. yet not all THAT rad.
What's up?

quote Originally posted by revin: Why is nobody hot on the ZZP XP Cam? I always heard that was the most radical cam out there. yet not all THAT rad. What's up?

Ha! It's funny you said that. That cam was on my list to ask about. I was surprised to see that nobody had mentioned it.

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J. Cummins

Did somebody call my name? ZZP Hot cam, SSautochrome headers, Magnaflow, c6 tips.

Oh man! Saboo, that car sounds great. So with the ZZP Hotcam, what are you running in your heads, or are those aftermarket as well. Intercooler? Any other mods?

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J. Cummins

quote Originally posted by Jeromey Cummins: Oh man! Saboo, that car sounds great. So with the ZZP Hotcam, what are you running in your heads, or are those aftermarket as well. Intercooler? Any other mods?

DITTO

This one sounds pretty good...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...jZ1o&feature=related

& here's a little info on welding up the silencer ports.
http://www.gmforum.com/showthread.php?t=281258

Sorry I am a little late to the game, but Sabooo's car would have to sound good if you thought the one in the original post's video sounded good. It is his car, back in Illinois with the original owner, years ago. Sabooo had the thing worked over and improved at BMWGuru's shop. It's a dang nice car, Golden86 loved that car... it just got to be... impractical.

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