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Gas struts VS torsion springs on rear deck lid, need help and advice by DLCLK87GT
Started on: 03-19-2011 12:30 PM
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Report this Post03-19-2011 12:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DLCLK87GTSend a Private Message to DLCLK87GTDirect Link to This Post
I’ve seen where some are using the gas lift a strut on the rear deck lids, either the Rodney kits or a home made version. Are these to assist weak torsion springs or are they used to replace them? I have to remove my deck lid to lift the motor while replacing the motor mounts (what a pain in the ASS!!!! stock Formula) and thought about removing the springs as I really don’t like them.
Questions; is a gas strut enough to lift the lid with a spoiler by itself? Do I need to use 2, 1 on each side if I remove the springs?? Let me know what you’re using and what I’ll need to remove the springs and put on a strut or struts. Thanks everyone!
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Report this Post03-19-2011 12:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Bulldog802Send a Private Message to Bulldog802Direct Link to This Post
Rodney has kits for either situation. I removed mine while doing my 3800sc swap and ordered the appropriate kit from him. I really like it. His parts are well engineered and nicely finished and an excellent value.
http://www.rodneydickman.com/retail.html under the exterior section...
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Report this Post03-19-2011 12:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ALJRSend a Private Message to ALJRDirect Link to This Post
Do the stock torsion springs work/do there job? If so, why replace them?

I "think" the only reason one should replace them is if they HAVE to for one reason or another...

Just my .02

Edit to add:
You do not need to touch the spring to remove the trunk lid; Just remove the 4 bolts that attaches the lid to the bracket...

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Report this Post03-19-2011 02:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
Stock springs work fine and tension can be adjusted my moving locking pins.

As asked above, I suppose you unbolted the springs to remove the decklid. NOT NECESSARY.
Only a 5 minute job to remove only the 4 bolts attaching the decklid to the hinges.

"Things" can happen if playing around with torsion springs without knowing what you're doing.
... and bigger headaches can follow. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/077596.html

As the old saying goes, "when all else fails - Read The Manual"
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/102310.html


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Report this Post03-19-2011 02:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DLCLK87GTSend a Private Message to DLCLK87GTDirect Link to This Post
Nope, haven't removed anything yet, just don't like the springs and would like to replace with struts. Just wondering if it's 1 side or both for lid + wing.
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Report this Post03-19-2011 05:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ltlfrariClick Here to visit ltlfrari's HomePageSend a Private Message to ltlfrariDirect Link to This Post
When I did my DOHC swap I removed the springs (only to make more room, it's a BIG motor) and used Rodney's struts (2) for the deck lid.
On the 88 I have now a PO had removed the springs and put struts on there but had also added a wing and the struts were not strong enough. I put the springs back on (got them with the car) and the lid stays up now.
Overall I'd say use two struts rather than just one. One would have to be super string and is going to try to twist the lid when up. Two just look more balanced to me as well.

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Report this Post03-19-2011 11:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogt27Send a Private Message to fierogt27Direct Link to This Post
if you have a spoiler you will have to use two struts, one will not be enough to hold it up, and like ltlfrari said, I think it looks a whole lot better in appearance with the balanced look.
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Report this Post03-20-2011 04:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RodneyClick Here to visit Rodney's HomePageSend a Private Message to RodneyDirect Link to This Post
I sell many single kits to those with V-8's and other engine swaps where they have removed both factory springs. A single with the factory springs removed woks just fine.

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Report this Post04-13-2011 10:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for snakeskinner1Send a Private Message to snakeskinner1Direct Link to This Post
Can someone tell me the length on the struts everyone is using? Both closed and extended? Thanks!
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Report this Post04-14-2011 08:58 AM Click Here to See the Profile for revinSend a Private Message to revinDirect Link to This Post
If you are just adding a spoiler then all you need to do is to re-adjust your stock springs like . Move from one hole to the other. simple.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/111312.html
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/102750.html (Somebody really has a problem with these springs huh DLCLK87GT )

If you are adding a wing AND scoop, the yes a strut is needed but only one. Having two just makes it look nice, but two not needed if the right strut is used.
Rodney has the correct struts and brackets, Buy from him and save yourself some make-your- own-hassle

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Report this Post04-14-2011 12:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sspeedstreetSend a Private Message to sspeedstreetDirect Link to This Post
I have a Rodney single strut with a spoiler on a GT. More than enough to support the decklid. One major drawback to the struts is that the decklid "popper" no longer functions. The latch functions, but there is no lift from the strut to clear the latch. I need to fit a small coil spring (like the front hood has) to overcome this.

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Report this Post04-14-2011 02:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for revinSend a Private Message to revinDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by sspeedstreet:

I need to fit a small coil spring (like the front hood has) to overcome this.



Cut a e-brake spring in half (or whatever size works for you) mount near the latch or near the strut mounting spot.
smaller and looks nice!
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Report this Post04-15-2011 02:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
Just FYI, removing those torsion springs makes it easier to replace the firewall-side spark plugs on a 2.8 / 3.1 / 3.4 V6. More room.

You can use a single strut. I know one of Rodney's kits does that. I also had a homemade gas strut setup that used a single strut on a decklid with a spoiler. No torsion springs necessary.

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