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4t65e-hd bearing problem....need help by olchap
Started on: 03-08-2011 09:32 AM
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Report this Post03-08-2011 09:32 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olchapSend a Private Message to olchapDirect Link to This Post
I am at work so unfortunately I can't post a picture, but here's the problem: I had a leaking trans output seal on the pass side axle. Pulled the seal to replace and found the bearing toast. Got a new bearing based on p/n of bearing I removed (HK4012). When I removed the bearing (in pieces), I also removed a hardened steel ring that functions as an inner race for the needle bearing. I cannot for the life of me find anyone who knows what this ring is or how to get it. The new bearing inner diameter is 1.5748" but the shaft (differential output) is actually 1.503". The ring I removed is about .0325" thick, so doubling it + shaft dia(1.503"), gives me 1.568" of the 1.5748" I needed, allowing for .0068" for oil. This seams about right to me but apparently the ring is made out of un-obtainium. Anybody ever come across this problem before? I know that replacing the output bearing without the sleeve, inner race, or whatever is a recipe for disaster. Thanks, Chris.
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Report this Post03-08-2011 10:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TONY_CSend a Private Message to TONY_CDirect Link to This Post
Is the inner race good? Can you re-use it?
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Report this Post03-08-2011 10:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olchapSend a Private Message to olchapDirect Link to This Post
The inner race is toast also. It got eaten up when the bearing let go. The end of the differential looks fine though.
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Report this Post03-08-2011 01:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for black88fieroSend a Private Message to black88fieroDirect Link to This Post
your talkin the bearing in the diff cover? Call ed morad he sells hd covers for 30-40. if you want their contact info let me know.

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Report this Post03-08-2011 02:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1fatcatSend a Private Message to 1fatcatDirect Link to This Post
That sounds like the outer wall of the bearing, if it came apart in pieces. If that is it, it's part of the new bearing.

Edit: Did they give you a bearing for an H-D or a standard duty?

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Hopefully this helps clarify a bit. I appreciate the response. RIng on left is new bearing, center and right are what I removed.
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1fatcat. I think you might be on to something. Does anyone have a different part number for the bearing? I used HK4012, but perhaps that was wrong in the first place.
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Report this Post03-08-2011 08:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1fatcatSend a Private Message to 1fatcatDirect Link to This Post
Looking at that differential, I would say that was a "speedy sleeve" that was installed long ago to repair the damaged bearing surface of your differential. You probably have the right bearing, but a damaged differential, so you need a new diff. You should make sure the diff cover isn't damaged from the spun bearing too.

Edit: Does the thin sleeve fit nicely into the new bearing? If so, it's a speedy sleeve.

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Report this Post03-09-2011 02:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for black88fieroSend a Private Message to black88fieroDirect Link to This Post
ya that diff is hurt...non hd's dont have a bearing they have copper/brass/bronze (one of them they are gold) bushing no needle bearings in them.. i would get a diff and a new diff cover.
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Report this Post03-09-2011 03:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olchapSend a Private Message to olchapDirect Link to This Post
Thanks again to everyone for your inputs. I spoke with Morad and have ordered another differential. They say that the sleeve is pressed on at the factory and practically never fails. I guess I was just lucky enought to be the exception to the rule.
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Report this Post03-09-2011 06:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 1fatcatSend a Private Message to 1fatcatDirect Link to This Post
That makes perfect sence. After thinking about it, a speedy sleeve would need the diff machined down slightly to work. So, it's not a speedy sleeve.
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