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What Will Cause Rubber to Swell? by Squeaky
Started on: 12-26-2010 08:24 PM
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Report this Post12-26-2010 08:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SqueakySend a Private Message to SqueakyDirect Link to This Post
On my 3.4L DOHC I have a pair of 'rear' valve covers on either side of the engine, because their not equipped with an oil cap I purchased a push-in style oil plug to install in one of the valve covers. The package specified that the plug required a hole with an ID of 1.25" to fit snug. With my drill press and a 1.25" bi-metal hole saw I drilled a hole in the valve cover and using a fine metal file I brought down the flashing around the hole. I went to push in the plug (which required a bit of force) and found that the fit was far more loose than it should've been. I don't want the plug to 'bleed' oil or any contaminents to enter the hole.

Is there a solvent out there or a fluid I can emerse the rubber plug in that will cause it to swell and make a tighter fit?

Right now I have it sitting in synthetic brake fluid, I've heard that works but I haven't noticed an improvement. Lastly I know that in doing so I risk weakening the rubber, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Report this Post12-26-2010 08:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
I know a way to make a rubber swell.
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Report this Post12-26-2010 09:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for joshh44Send a Private Message to joshh44Direct Link to This Post
 
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I know a way to make a rubber swell.

i just had a good laugh at that :P

why dont you just buy a new plug that is atad bigger? i heard of people using ATF fluid to swell up rubber.
ATF - (Automatic Transmission Fluid)
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Report this Post12-26-2010 09:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JustinbartSend a Private Message to JustinbartDirect Link to This Post
Brake fluid might make it swell
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WD40 will do it for you.
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Report this Post12-26-2010 09:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for HardpactSend a Private Message to HardpactDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Justinbart:

Brake fluid might make it swell



brake fluid does not make rubber swell thats why its used in brakes!!...not trying to be a smart ass i'm just sayin

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Originally posted by Hardpact:
brake fluid does not make rubber swell thats why its used in brakes!!...not trying to be a smart ass i'm just sayin



Haha I guess it does. Its the contaminates in brake fluid that make rubber swell
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Report this Post12-26-2010 10:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SpoonSend a Private Message to SpoonDirect Link to This Post
Have you entertained the idea of drilling the existing hole 1 drill size smaller and just @^$#........................ wait a minute let me recheck my math on this one. :

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Originally posted by Hardpact:
brake fluid does not make rubber swell thats why its used in brakes!!...not trying to be a smart ass i'm just sayin


Brake fluid does not make EPDM swell. EPDM isn't used in fuel or oil applications though...
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Anyway you can pull the original O-ring and adding an additional flat type O-ring behind it?

Or, and assuming there is some sort of O-ring on the plug, can you remove the O-ring and wrap string in groove.

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Report this Post12-27-2010 01:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SqueakySend a Private Message to SqueakyDirect Link to This Post
Thank's for your replies guy's, ya I let it sit in brake fluid for a solid 2.5 hrs and hadn't noticed any swelling. Now I know why! What your saying make's sense.

I considered buying a larger plug but I couldn't bring myself to do it, I'm just too cheap, lol.

Before trying the atf fluid I dug an o-ring outta one of my parts trays. The plug is tapered and by sliding the o-ring over the plug it allowed it to sit a bit more shallow in the hole, and thus futher down on the taper. It seems to fit rather snuggly now. Hopefully it'll stay that way when I add other factors like heat and vibration.

Thank's again guy's!

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Report this Post12-27-2010 03:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BoniClick Here to visit Boni's HomePageSend a Private Message to BoniDirect Link to This Post
BTW even if you find solvent to swell the gum at last, you weak gum badly. In fact, if any plastic or gum serious swell, it mark you TADA! finaly destroyed structure of polymers. So, never do this for car parts, you loose resistance for temperature, oil, gas, or everything For toys, garden, some 'visual' parts, maybe, who cares, but re-work on car (or f.e. pipes in house, or similar high cost/low access seals or parts) is too expensive IMO.

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Report this Post12-27-2010 02:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
Motor oil will swell rubber and some plastic....

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Report this Post12-27-2010 02:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
If you put anything on it, soon as it dries out it will shrink back up. Putting it in laquer thinner will def swell it up. Why not put a small bead of automotive engine grade silicone sealant in the groove and install it. It will glue it in and seal any gaps.
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Report this Post12-27-2010 06:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoDirect Link to This Post
on any of the engines I've used the aftermarket "Gromets" to use the push in breather, if you put a smear of GOOP on the valve cover & some on the grommit, then install it, it'll never leak. done it many times.
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Before you do anything, did you try pushing the breather in the grommet ? It may just be big enough to push the grommet out for a tight fit in the valve cover
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Report this Post12-28-2010 02:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoDirect Link to This Post
something to "think about". if you try to "swell" the rubber, it not only "grows", but it also gets "floppy" & doesn't really hold the original shape & gets "soft".
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Report this Post12-29-2010 01:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Im still thinking if he puts in the push in breather, it will be fine. When I put the new valve covers on my Dodge, the grommet was also loose. Soon as I managed to get the breather started in the hole, it was tite enough it needed a rubber mallet to put it in all the way.
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a destinct possability !
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