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Dry Cell Battery by Heinz_57_Fiero
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Report this Post03-20-2010 01:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Heinz_57_FieroSend a Private Message to Heinz_57_FieroDirect Link to This Post
I recently installed a Dyna-Batt dry cell battery into my 1986 GT, rather than relocating the old battery to the front, or dealing with rusty battery trays. I think it turned out quite well, and I have posted a pictures of the install in case some of you decide to go this route as well. The battery itself is about half the size of the stock unit, and only weighs 13 lbs. While I was at it, I also decided to swap the old SI style alternator for a newer CS type. The battery and alternator combo works well.
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Report this Post03-20-2010 08:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Indiana87GTSend a Private Message to Indiana87GTDirect Link to This Post
I like that, how many cranking amps? What's the price?
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Originally posted by Indiana87GT:

I like that, how many cranking amps? What's the price?

Check out this web page.

http://www.newedgeperforman...attery135pounds.aspx

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Originally posted by Heinz_57_Fiero:

I recently installed a Dyna-Batt dry cell battery.....


Very nice install. Welcome to the forum. What a great mod.

http://www.performancedistr...rs.com/batteries.htm

Lighten up your street car, hot rod or race car! Remove the heavy 40 lb battery and replace
it with Performance Distributors 13.5 lb Dyna-Batt. The Dyna Batt produces more power per
pound than any battery on the market. It has the cranking power of wet cell batteries three
times its size! This is due to the extremely low internal resistance which allows faster, more
consistant starting. The Dyna Batt does not have a cold cranking amp rating like other
batteries, but has been tested to crank engines with compression ratios as high as 15:1.
The reserve capacity of the Dyna Batt is 16 Amp Hours. The Dyna-Batt is completely dry
cell and can withstand the rigors of high performance and racing enviornments. It is built
with corrosion resistant terminals and is truly maintenance free. The Dyna Batt has an
excellent storage life and recharges very quickly. Any 12 volt charger can be used to
recharge the Dyna Batt but a low amperage battery charger/maintainer, much like the
charger/maintainer we sell listed below, is recommended to avoid overcharging the battery.
This battery works great with one of our alternators!

SPECIFICATIONS: Weight = 13.5 lbs, Dimensions: Length = 7", Width = 3" & Height = 6 1/2" ,
Reserve Capacity = 16 Amp hours, Cold Cranking Amps = Not Rated

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Report this Post03-21-2010 11:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sunofjusticeSend a Private Message to sunofjusticeDirect Link to This Post
Its cool that somebody FINALLY
bought one of these.
Weight savings are always good!
(100 pds=10 hp)

Unfortunately,
there are caveats that were left out.
I/E: dry cell batteries dont work
very well when cold.
( best case scenario,would be to run a dry-cell
during summer, swap back for fall/winter.)

If you put a huge electrical load on 'em
without the engine on, they wont "bounce
back" like a standard car battery.

And, if I recall what was said on a bmw forum...
dry-cells discharge fairly quick when left in
the car for long periods of time without start-up.
(3-7 days)

Regardless of the bugaboos,
having a lightweight battery means you DONT
have to relocate it to the front, thereby adding
more weight with heavy battery cables and such.


Lastly,
there was a FIVE POUND dry-cell battery
that was talked about on the bimmer forum too.
But, alas.............it cost $700.00!!
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Report this Post03-21-2010 03:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Heinz_57_FieroSend a Private Message to Heinz_57_FieroDirect Link to This Post
In case anybody decides to mount one of these batteries on the firewall as we did, you will need to keep the part of the old battery tray that is attached to the firewall. The backing plate with studs is welded to the old tab. Next week I'll post some photos of the backing plate and attachment points that we used. Using wing nuts to attach the holder facilitates easy battery removal. Later, I'm planning on using marine style stud terminal adaptors for the battery cables.
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Report this Post04-01-2010 08:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Heinz_57_FieroSend a Private Message to Heinz_57_FieroDirect Link to This Post
Here is a photo of the plate that we fabricated to mount the Dyna-Batt on the firewall, using part of the old tray as an attachment point.

...and the Dyna_Batt installed using wing nuts. Next will be marine style battery studs for the cables.
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Report this Post04-06-2010 08:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Heinz_57_FieroSend a Private Message to Heinz_57_FieroDirect Link to This Post
Picture shows the Dyna-Batt with the 5/16" marine stud terminals installed. Because the battery positive is reversed from the stock battery, the cables are a stretch. New cables will come later, otherwise I'm very happy with the conversion.
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Report this Post04-06-2010 09:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pmbrunelleSend a Private Message to pmbrunelleDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by sunofjustice:
Regardless of the bugaboos,
having a lightweight battery means you DONT
have to relocate it to the front, thereby adding
more weight with heavy battery cables and such.


What's wrong with the battery in the rear? In the stock location, it's closer to the CG, reducing the car's moment of inertia compared to a front-mount battery.

Having the mass concentrated near the CG is why we drive mid-engine cars, no?

The car is better with a slight rear weight bias in my opinion.

I would never relocate the battery to the front.
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Originally posted by sunofjustice:

If you put a huge electrical load on 'em
without the engine on, they wont "bounce
back" like a standard car battery.


Are you referring to deep-cycling dry cells? If so, I'll have to disagree. If they're anything like car audio dry cells, they should be able to be completely deep cycled (completely discharged) and recharged with no negative effects. If you're talking about slightly recharging from a huge drain, say dropping from 13V to 10V then bouncing back up to 11V (for example), then I suppose I would agree. Once they're discharged, they're done until you recharge them.
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Originally posted by pmbrunelle:


What's wrong with the battery in the rear? In the stock location, it's closer to the CG, reducing the car's moment of inertia compared to a front-mount battery.


Not exactly. The problem with the stock location is that the battery is very high off of the ground. Ideally the CG should be somewhere inside the fuel tank in these cars, so moving the battery up front might actually be a slight improvement because you get the battery much closer to the ground. I haven't done the calculations, but a mere 30lbs doesn't much matter in a street car anyhow...at least not to me.
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Report this Post04-07-2010 10:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Ive seen these, but thought they were fairly low capacity....mostly for drag cars. Didnt know they would supply enough for a street car....Hows it working out using AC, lights, stereo, etc.
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quote
Originally posted by sunofjustice:

Its cool that somebody FINALLY
bought one of these.
Weight savings are always good!
(100 pds=10 hp)

Unfortunately,
there are caveats that were left out.
I/E: dry cell batteries dont work
very well when cold.
( best case scenario,would be to run a dry-cell
during summer, swap back for fall/winter.)



...actually it states that on the above posted website that they are not intended for use in cold weather climates.
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