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84 break pedal problem !!! by megahaas
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First off, im new here. I aquired an 84 fiero 2m4 fairly cheap late in the fall and recently started driving it. Despite its problems it really is a joy to drive.

However, yesterday i had a severe problem. I was doing some work on the interior and i looked down and noticed that the clutch pedal was sort of overlapping the break pedal. The cluch is higher then the break but if i were to hit the clutch pedal, the break would get in the way.

I get on my hands and knees to discover that the break pedal is very loose and swaying from side to side.

After some tinkering, this fell down




then after a little more examination, this fell down




followed by this



after some investigation i found that the plastic pieces are called shaft bushings and i ordered 4 from the fiero store. I guess my main questions are how did this happen? And, how do i fix this? I have a chiltons manual and it describes nothing on the pedal system. Thank you all for you help
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Report this Post03-10-2010 06:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for megahaasSend a Private Message to megahaasDirect Link to This Post
anybody knows how a break pedal is connected?
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Bracket from an '85. The clutch bracket attaches to the side of this bracket.

So I'm thinking that 'shaft' is normally inside the pivot shaft of the brake pedal. How does it happen - Nut (Metric!) came loose and the bolt ended up backing out?

Metric nuts at Mill's Fleet Farm or Menards you know

Does this help?

Where in WI?

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Report this Post03-10-2010 06:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for megahaasSend a Private Message to megahaasDirect Link to This Post
it helps a little. I just have a hard time getting up in there and seeing everything. Also, in those pictures, i dont see any of those parts that feel that so im having trouble visioning how its put together


Outside Milwaukee btw.... Mukwonago to be exact

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Originally posted by megahaas:

However, yesterday i had a severe problem.


It's a 26 year old car you know right? Most on here would list that as a minor problem. Really glad that didn't fail when you were using the brake!! Then it would have been a severe problem for sure. Cool that you have the car and all, but one of the reasons this forum is so active is that to keep cars like these on the road, you pretty much have to solve a lot of problems like this and much worse. Most on here will say they enjoy getting 'intimate" with the workings of their Fiero. I invite you and welcome you if you do. However if that’s not something your too interested in, this might not be the best car for you. i.e., there will be much worse problems down the road.

Anyways welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy your stay
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the reason why i said it was a sever problem is because it could have happened while i was driving. I know far worse can happen with a car. Im not a total gear head but i know my way around a tool box and done my fair share of auto work.
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anybody else have pictures/diagrams of the 84 pedal system?
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Hmm - let me double check. I sure that isn't the bracket from when I swapped the Mustang from a automatic to a stick, but the one from when I swapped the Fiero from a automatic to a stick
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Sorry -

Ah here is the Fiero Brake Bracket '85






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The die in the pic is just to show the threads on the bolt - M10 1.5

I think you can see the nut is a self locking nut. I'm guessing that someone had taken your's apart and not replaced it with a self locking nut. Your's might also not be metric. The self locking nut comes off hard all the way and I can't imagine it just working itself off of the bolt.
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Originally posted by megahaas:

the reason why i said it was a sever problem is because it could have happened while i was driving. I know far worse can happen with a car. Im not a total gear head but i know my way around a tool box and done my fair share of auto work.


Sorry if I came off disrespectful. That was not my intent.
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based on your experience, how difficult is it to get up there and take off that bracket and everything? Any tips and pointers?


I guess what i cant see in the pictures is where that "shaft" piece and shaft bushings fit in the completed assembly. I appreciate your help but any further clarification would be greatly appreciated.

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Why do you want to take the bracket off? I did it because I swapped from an auto to a stick. I think all you have to do is put it back together, push the bolt back through (It must still be up there) and attach a new locking nut (like a nylon insert nut) that won't work itself off. I had removed the steering colum to do the pedal swap. You should be able to reach the bolt head, and the nut without removing the steering colum. Actually removing the colum wasn't that bad of a job either btw.

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Originally posted by phonedawgz:

Why do you want to take the bracket off? I did it because I swapped from an auto to a stick. I think all you have to do is put it back together, push the bolt back through (It must still be up there) and attach a new locking nut (like a nylon insert nut) that won't work itself off. I had removed the steering colum to do the pedal swap. You should be able to reach the bolt head, and the nut without removing the steering colum. Actually removing the colum wasn't that bad of a job either btw.


so removing the steering colum would make it a lot easier yea? I might just do that. Since im a bigger guy, its hard enough for me to get in there to work and all. The chiltons manual i have should give me decent directions on how to do that
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It will get it out of the way. 4 bolts hold it up, one more holds it on. And then all the electrical connectors.

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