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Erson vs Crane/Compcam 272 by Fiero1Fan
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I am planning on putting a new cam in a 3.4l pr engine that I have. I was originally looking at getting the Crane/Compcam h272 . I have now found an Erson cam with almost the exact values. The Erson cam is a lot cheaper.

Does anyone has experience with the Erson cams? Quality, reliability, etc....

Thanks in advance for any info.

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Report this Post02-23-2010 09:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for topher_timeSend a Private Message to topher_timeDirect Link to This Post
Never heard of them. Doesn't mean they are good or bad, may have to google them. Then again, it may just be a re-packaged Comp/Crane cam, as a lot of them are.
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Originally posted by Fiero1Fan:
I am planning on putting a new cam in a 3.4l pr engine that I have. I was originally looking at getting the Crane/Compcam h272 . I have now found an Erson cam with almost the exact values. The Erson cam is a lot cheaper.

I would advise you to take care when evaluating the specs ("with almost the exact values") of Erson's cams, asking, for example the specific lifts (e.g., 0.009 inch? 0.050 inch?) at which their advertised and effective cam duration measurements were taken for that particular cam. Then ask the same questions of Crane Cams for their H-272-2 cam.

I raise this caveat because in asking these same questions years ago, I found Erson was manipulating their duration measurements to suggest their cams had much more modern designs --- e.g., faster "ramps" that seemed too good to be true (and were) --- than did Crane Cams. In fact, I found for my application that Erson actually had a much less modern design, probably years behind the Crane design.

More specifically, one practical disadvantage of what Erson was doing was that it would mislead an unsuspecting potential customer into thinking the Erson cam was the best, when actually, its outdated design required the Erson cam to be noticeably more "unstreetable" (e.g., exhibiting a poor idle quality) just to reach the same level of horsepower as that produced by the Crane cam.

In fairness, that was years ago, and maybe Erson has become more honest in their representations to potential customers.

By the way, are you aware of an Erson website page showing that they even offer any cams for the pushrod 60o 3.4L V6 engine? I couldn't find one.

In any case, caveat emptor!
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Thanks for the info. I haven't made a decision yet. Just getting informed at this point.
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Report this Post02-23-2010 08:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoDirect Link to This Post
Sig Erson Cams has been around forever ! I used one in a big block chevy about 15 years ago. it wasn't anything to "write home about". I personally am putting a crane 272 in my 3.4 Now.
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Report this Post02-23-2010 09:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LilchiefSend a Private Message to LilchiefDirect Link to This Post
I had a cam custom designed for my 3.4 pr by forced firebird(?) on the 60degree web site that showed more potential than the crane 272. You might want to look into it.

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Crower is also an option.
(Oreif reposted this link a couple of days ago.)

http://www.crower.com/pdf/2008b/19-66.pdf

Page 20. The Hydraulic Hauler.
I was considering this as an alternative to my Crane 272.
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Report this Post02-24-2010 02:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero1FanClick Here to visit Fiero1Fan's HomePageSend a Private Message to Fiero1FanDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the info guys.
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Originally posted by Lilchief:

I had a cam custom designed for my 3.4 pr by forced firebird(?) on the 60degree web site that showed more potential than the crane 272. You might want to look into it.



Do you have the spec's on the cam? Maybe a copy of the cam card showing lift and timing?
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Report this Post02-24-2010 05:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LilchiefSend a Private Message to LilchiefDirect Link to This Post
You can go here to see the plotted graph.
http://60degreev6.com/forum...et-cams-t43678/page3
With 1.6 rocker lift is .478/.494, 110LSA, 221/231 dur @ .050
I've been wanting to try this cam swap along with a higher stall convertor. Just need to get back to work.
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Originally posted by Lilchief:

With 1.6 rocker lift is .478/.494, 110LSA, 221/231 dur @ .050



With with 1.5 rockers:
Your cam is .448 intake and .463 exhaust.
The Crane H272 is .454 intake and .480 exhaust.
The Crower is .470 intake and .492 exhaust.

Now use 1.6 rockers and you get:
Your cam .478 intake .494 exhaust
Crane would be .484 intake and .512 exhaust
Crower would be .501 intake and .525 (This would be a true 1/2 inch lift camshaft, Nice hefty lope with gobs of high end power!)

Based on the duration, It is slightly longer than the Crane but it is shorter than the Crower. So your torque curve is a little wider than the Crane cam, But with the slightly smaller lift that will shift it slightly lower in the RPM range. Depending on the head work done this will be a good benefit. The Crower on the other hand is a beast of a cam with higher lift and longer duration. (I wish I would have know about this cam when I built my 3.4L back in 2003 ! )

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Report this Post02-24-2010 07:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for LilchiefSend a Private Message to LilchiefDirect Link to This Post
FF designed the cam to go with my 1.6 rockers and .500 lift springs. If I would have had 1.5 it would have been more lift at the cam. The lifts are about the same as my current cam, my dur@.050 is 214/224 LSA112 . I would be gaining more duration and a tighter LSA. I do like the Crower stage 4 cam but would need to change springs if I use the 1.6 rockers and I think it has even tighter LSA (108) which may affect the pwr brakes and vacuum at idle, but the 108 helps up top. Most FI engines like the wider LSA and Nitrous also likes the wider LSA (113). My goal was the Nitrous. Just giving some of my details and observations.

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