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Is there supposed to be an exhaust gasket??? by braaap881
Started on: 11-16-2009 08:54 AM
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Report this Post11-16-2009 08:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for braaap881Click Here to visit braaap881's HomePageSend a Private Message to braaap881Direct Link to This Post
That sounds like a stupid question, but I haver a custom exhaust, and I don't know if i can explain it good enough, but I have a flanged type fitting between my header (old ford 3800 header modified) and the exhaust pipe. It is almost like a male and female fitting, and it looks like it doesn't need a gasket, but I have such a bad exhaust tick it is driving me nuts!

Is there some type of donut gasket or something that is used on those type of exhaust connections? Thanks!
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Report this Post11-16-2009 09:04 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
a tick is usually at the specific port leaking, not at a pipe, which has multiple exhaust pulses - but - anyways - I rarely see gaskets along them kind of joints. but, I often use RTV Copper on these kind of joints for added seal
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Report this Post11-16-2009 11:00 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jetmanClick Here to visit jetman's HomePageSend a Private Message to jetmanDirect Link to This Post
The V-6 engines that I've worked on had a donut ring (gasket) between the Y-pipe and the down pipe. There was no gasket from the exhaust manifold to the Y-pipe as that connection had the male female set up to allow some flex.

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Found a picture for you. Does it have a male fitting like this?



Those male female fittings usually seal up nicely, have you tried a mechanics stephascope to issolate the ticking noise?

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Report this Post11-16-2009 05:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DefEddieSend a Private Message to DefEddieDirect Link to This Post
Hate to bring it up,but more than likely you've got a hole in the manifold.
We used to have those headers laying all over the shop we changed so many.

The mustang 3.8's leaked at the header ports all the time,we just replaced them.
I can't remember offhand that particuler one,but most ford header/manifold's don't use a gasket.

(And fords aren't 3800's. They are just referred to as 3.8's.)

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Report this Post11-16-2009 09:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for braaap881Click Here to visit braaap881's HomePageSend a Private Message to braaap881Direct Link to This Post
Thanks for the replys, the header which is off a ford 3.8 (Not 3800, thanks) had a crack in it, which i had welded, then I had them planed down so they should be fitting to the head with no problems, but that doesn't mean that it's not leaking there. I just assumed that I should check the next thing that I didn't replace, which would be that male/female fitting.

That picture does look similar to what I have, but still a little different. It is the same concept though.

If the header is my problem, what other options would you suggest? I believe we went that route in the first place so we wouldn't have to interfere with the transmission linkage (4spd). Is there another header or manifold that is made for that motor that will dump out down towards the ground?
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Report this Post11-17-2009 02:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DefEddieSend a Private Message to DefEddieDirect Link to This Post
My general opinion is just reweld it again,unless you just want to swap into something different or the flange is bad.
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Report this Post11-17-2009 10:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jetmanClick Here to visit jetman's HomePageSend a Private Message to jetmanDirect Link to This Post
The trick is to identify exactly where the exhaust leak is coming from then go from there. If you don't have a mechanics stephascope how about a section of rubber hose to listen for leaks. Although it's a tight fit around headers, a mechanics trouble mirror will work to help inspect for cracks. Girlfriends make up compact with mirror will work too, don't get it greasy, GF's don't appreciate that at all.
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Report this Post11-17-2009 12:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for braaap881Click Here to visit braaap881's HomePageSend a Private Message to braaap881Direct Link to This Post
well ijust had the headers welded. i know for a fact that there are no cracks, and the header was plained down so in theory i should not have a leak around the manifold. this is why i suspect that i might need a donut gasket... i guess i don't know until i try.

what other options do i have for headers if i want to switch?
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Report this Post11-17-2009 01:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DefEddieSend a Private Message to DefEddieDirect Link to This Post
This style header does not use an exhaust gasket,it seals to the flange.
If the flange is leaking,simply loosen up the bolts-reseat it and tighten them down again.
Spin both sides down fairly evenly,dont just power down one side at a time.
How do you know for a fact there are no cracks?

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Report this Post11-17-2009 05:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for braaap881Click Here to visit braaap881's HomePageSend a Private Message to braaap881Direct Link to This Post
good point, i know that VISUALLY there are no cracks...

So if that type of flange does not use a gasket, I've got some experimenting to do...

Thanks!
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Report this Post11-18-2009 11:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DefEddieSend a Private Message to DefEddieDirect Link to This Post
Here's a better look at the same manifold and the reason for it's R&R.
See the light shining through?
These can also get pinholes,which more what Iwould look for.
Look for the carbon tracing,should be black/sooty where the exhaust is escaping.

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Report this Post11-18-2009 09:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for braaap881Click Here to visit braaap881's HomePageSend a Private Message to braaap881Direct Link to This Post
Wow, that's a pretty good picture.. a small hole, but I'm sure that would be more than enough to cause problems. Thanks for point that out.
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Report this Post11-19-2009 06:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for White SpyderSend a Private Message to White SpyderDirect Link to This Post
There is a gasket between the Y-pipe and the rest of the lower exhaust.
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