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Whats the best lubricant for front light motor gears ? by perry rhodan
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Whats the best lubricant to use inside the motors (I have an 1986 Fiero with the original headlight motors). I read about silicone grease. Any suggestion brand? Thanks. Yan
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I have a 2/3 of a tube of Dow Corning Compound 4 insulating compound here. It seem that insulating compound are mostly silicone grease.

http://www.dowcorning.com/c..._news_4_Compound.asp

Looks like it will be the choice for my headlight motors.

I was at first to use lithium grease (like a translucent golden gelly ) but I read that silicone grease is more safe for plastic, polymer and rubber part.

So if nothing wrong in my statement, I will go with the electrical insulating compoud to grease my headlight motors.
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I use Permatex brake caliper silicone grease. It comes in a jar with a application brush. It seems to work well for me.
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Thanks for the hint katatak
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I used Canadian Tire's - Motomaster Synthetic Extreme Pressure (it's pink) PN 28-0804-4

I used this when I reconditioned my Indy's headlight motors. Seemed to work very well. I also use this for the all chassis/balljoints etc. lubrication.

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@katatak : Is it the one you use?

http://www.permatex.com/pro...e_Caliper_Lube_1.htm

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Originally posted by fierosound:

I used Canadian Tire's - Motomaster Synthetic Extreme Pressure (it's pink) PN 28-0804-4

I used this when I reconditioned my Indy's headlight motors. Seemed to work very well. I also use this for the all chassis/balljoints etc. lubrication.



Maybe they change their product designation and/or the part number or it is simply not available thru their website. I will have to go in a store to look at it.
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Well, I made some research today about lubricating plastic part (gears) and I stumbled on a very interesting article here: http://motionsystemdesign.c...0894plasticlubes.pdf

Aside from the obvious fact that its never a good idea to lubricate plastic parts with petroleum based lubricant, I read about not so obvious fact that some additive (mainly EP(high pressure) and anti-friction) can contribute to plastic deterioration more than we thought.

So with all the info I gathered on the net, I foud some type of grease that are suitable for our use in the headlight motor gearbox. Some are really easy to obtain. And they have all the required spec to be the good choice to use with plastic gear and metal on metal combination.

Permatex Ultra Slick Synthetic Multi-Purpose Lubricant with PTFE
Dow Corning Molykote G-2001 (Synthetic grease free of solid lubricants for enclosed plastic and steel gears)

They are synth based grease. Synthetic hydrocarbons .More stable in the long term.
Safe for plastic and rubber parts
Will not dry.
Very low oil separation.
They contains anti-friction additive that are ok with plastic : PTFE (Teflon)

The choice of katatak is a good choice but maybe not the long term if I look into the article...it contains moly or something like that. This kind of additive can penetrate the plastic and cause its failure. Very surprising. Its not always the case. And difficult to know for us if it can be the cause of our future failure.

At home I have the other one, the Permatex Ultra Disc Brake Caliper Lube...the green gellyish stuff. But its prone to oil separation (my own experience). Its not very good in the long term also. But its a better choice than nothing.

For people that are using new brass or alu gears, no problem on this side.

Thanks for all your advices, and your suggestions. It helped me to find some , maybe, better solution to keep my plastic gear in good working condition for years to come. If my reading and thought can help you too I will be happy.

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Very good info there. I used the Permatex on my 86 with RD's aluminum gears so I suspect I'll be ok.

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Report this Post07-28-2009 12:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for perry rhodanClick Here to visit perry rhodan's HomePageSend a Private Message to perry rhodanDirect Link to This Post
Yes with metal you will stay out of trouble.

The ingeneering choice of plastic gears maybe one of fab cost and/or weight. But we need to take into account it can be a safety choice. One of the gear need to act as a fuse. But its maybe not the case in the headlight motors.

Also I was thinking about preserving the integrity of the new rubber cushion/bumper I will put inside the plastic gear.

I just hope to do the job once in 20 year
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Vaseline might be better on plastic plus almost everyone keeps a jar by their bed side and should have it!!

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Since Vaseline is petroleum based, Its seem to be a bad choice for the plastic parts. Since I dont know what kind of plastic is made the plastic gear I will avoid it...

But its good for other things.... like you said

Oh you pervert lolllll

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Originally posted by perry rhodan:

Since Vaseline is petroleum based, Its seem to be a bad choice for the plastic parts. Since I dont know what kind of plastic is made the plastic gear I will avoid it...

But its good for other things.... like you said

Oh you pervert lolllll


Vaseline might be OK as it has no additives. Its even easy on..... well its pure and every serious buttman from coast to coast keeps a jar handy.

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