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Electrical Problem - Need help by Sphynx
Started on: 04-04-2009 09:19 PM
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Report this Post04-04-2009 09:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SphynxSend a Private Message to SphynxDirect Link to This Post
I have an electrical problem with a 1985 Fiero base coupe - 2.5L engine and Auto transmission. The car will not start or turn over. Something is draining the battery but I have no idea what.
- The battery positive ground was tested and it is reading 15 ohms of resistance.
- Alternator was pulled and tested = Passed
- Checked all the fuses on the inside of the car and they checked OK (is there any other fuses hiding somewhere else?)
- Starter wire was checked and nothing was wrong with that.

I've looked everywhere for any kind of wire that could be burnt or grounded somewhere it isn't supposed to be but haven't found anything. Is there any common problems with the '85 that could cause this?
Is there any tests that could be done to single out a wire? If I've let anything out, let me know.
Thanks for the help!


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Report this Post04-04-2009 09:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Stubby79Send a Private Message to Stubby79Direct Link to This Post
How are you measuring this 15 ohms of resitance? disconnecting one battery cable and checking the resitance between them...? if you did that...15 ohms would be about right for your trunk light, or interior light, if you had the door open at the time. Make sure neither of those is going to mess up your measurement, however you're going about testing it.
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Report this Post04-04-2009 10:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CajunSend a Private Message to CajunDirect Link to This Post
Sphynx,

You did not mention if you tested the battery voltage or not. You did mentioned the battery is draining, over what period of time? The cause could the headlight motors not shutting down, trunk light not going off (broken switch), etc. If the battery voltage is good, the possibilities could include: transmission selector switch, starter solenoid, fusable link, etc. This would include bad ground.

Just a suggestion of possible causes.
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Report this Post04-04-2009 10:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SphynxSend a Private Message to SphynxDirect Link to This Post
The battery was charged and within a few minutes, the battery was completely drained. There's SOMETHING draining the battery but I'm not sure what it is. (Not the alternator)
I hooked it up to a portable charger to try that but it wouldn't start.
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Report this Post04-05-2009 07:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for R RunnerSend a Private Message to R RunnerDirect Link to This Post
For what it is worth, I helped Sphynx yesterday looking for the problem. We measured 18 ohmns across the negitive and positive cables with no battery installed. Is this normal? I thought that it was not. Pehaps I am wrong. Anyway, I do think something is draining the battery but the battery we had did not have a charge to it and after trying to charge it for 3 hours + the charger was still at the 15 amp level (the higest setting), it was very warm and the battery was starting to leak a little water out of the top. Not sure about the battery quality.

Sphynx.... You said that when you put a new (or charged) battery in it, the lights were still dim?
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Report this Post04-05-2009 07:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for CajunSend a Private Message to CajunDirect Link to This Post
The battery draining in a couple of minutes indicates a significant short or the like.

I was wondering if you guys pulled all the fuses to see if that would eliminate the problem. Are any of your fusible links warm when for what little time the battery is charged?

Just guessing here, but would be the places I would check.

Good luck.
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Report this Post04-05-2009 06:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SphynxSend a Private Message to SphynxDirect Link to This Post
When I put the new or charged battery in, the trunk lights and map lights were bright and then they started to fade.
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Report this Post04-05-2009 07:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for bulldog85043Send a Private Message to bulldog85043Direct Link to This Post
I had a similar problem. I also removed the alternator and it had originally passed when taken to the local AutoZone. I had checked everything including changing out the positive cable and replacing broken or missing grounding straps. What finally fixed my issue was to actually replace the alternator. I know it doesn't make sense, but, it's what finally fixed my issue.

May I suggest disconnecting the wires from the alternator and see if you still have an issue with battery drain. If you do, you know the alternator or more appropriately, the voltage regulator located therein, is not the issue.
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For the battery to drain that fast, you would see a huge arc from the battery to the ground cable when you hook it up. It is normal to have a very small arc when hooking up the ground. If you are not seeing a large arc when hooking up the battery then I would suspect the battery having an internal ground. Have you had the battery checked?

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Report this Post04-06-2009 04:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for carbonSend a Private Message to carbonDirect Link to This Post
If you are only seeing 15 Ohms to ground from the positive battery cable with everything off and closed, you have a serious drain somewhere and you need to find it... when the car is off it should only draw about 50mA... to power the ECM, radio clock etc... thats like 0.6 Watts. If you are reading only 15 Ohms, thats going to pull 800mA or dissapate about 9.6 Watts. While thats nothing like a dead short, it is still is about half of what a good 2 Amp slow battery charger would be.

Start pulling fuses and checking for current draw by putting an ammeter between the fuse contacts, thats the easiest way to do it.
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