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Are Air Horns Unreliable? by Formula Owner
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I've got FIAMM dual trumpet air horns on my Formula, and they're working fine, and I'm happy with them. But I've seen numerous reports of people who dislike air horns because theirs stopped working, or other problems. I also notice that air horns are standard on only expensive Italian cars, which typically have high maintenance requirements. So, my concern is that my air horns are going to let me down, but I don't have any concrete info supporting or refuting this. Only anecdotal stories. About once a week, I give them a quick blip, and they have yet to show any signs of trouble. Are air horns reliable? If not, is there anything I can keep an eye on to make sure they stay reliable?
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Report this Post04-01-2009 11:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
I never had any go bad on me. I had one pair on one of my cars that was over 10 years old. My compressor had a capped hole for adding oil to it to keep it lubricated. I used some 3 in one oil once a year. Air horns are louder than stock horns and sound more exotic too. The only problem I had with one pair was the horn relay going bad, but the horn relay was original and was close to 20 years old.
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Report this Post04-01-2009 11:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerDirect Link to This Post
I did manage to find one pertinent discussion on this:

http://www.miata.net/products/pmisc/crazyred.html

It seems that the Miata folks like these air horns, too, but they are having problems with them getting clogged up with bugs & dirt. Some people are having to replace them every 6 months. What I don't know is how they are mounting them. If they're mounting them exposed directly to the air flow, that could be the problem. Mine are in the same compartment as the stock one on the frt left, and that compartment seems to be doing a good job of keeping the trumpets free of debris.
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Report this Post04-01-2009 01:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DarrelkClick Here to visit Darrelk's HomePageSend a Private Message to DarrelkDirect Link to This Post
I've had them in at least half a dozen cars over the years. No problems, as said where you mount them makes a difference. Keep them as clean and dry as possible and if they have an oiling port, keep them oiled now and then. All mine were FIAMMs.
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Report this Post04-02-2009 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
I have a bad one. Horn diagram broke.

Cheap one break a lot. $20-50 = cheap = FIAMM

add switch if mechanic horn one work. cave, electric, general, horn

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Report this Post04-02-2009 11:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KitskaboodleSend a Private Message to KitskaboodleDirect Link to This Post
Hmmm. I wonder if some people are mounting them in such a way that water, mud & debris get into them?
I mount all of mine turned down to around maybe 6:00 to 8:00 position. Most compressors can be mounted
at any angle but some not. As someone mentioned above I hit my air horns every now and then to keep the
compressor oiled. Never had any problems though.

As a final note...even if they were a little less reliable than electric I would still have them because of their
superior sound and attention-getting ability!!

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Report this Post04-02-2009 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
Try these

Sorry, the link won't work. There are a set of Train air horns on ebay right now. $299 buy it now. They definitely will work

Arn

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quote
Originally posted by Arns85GT:

Try these

Sorry, the link won't work. There are a set of Train air horns on ebay right now. $299 buy it now. They definitely will work

Arn



Ask Backonholiday about train horns. He has a set of Dual train horns on the Blue Devil, and them bastards are LOUD! And I mean ear splitting loud
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quote
Originally posted by Arns85GT:

Try these

Sorry, the link won't work. There are a set of Train air horns on ebay right now. $299 buy it now. They definitely will work

Arn


Hmmm. Why? I don't drive a train.

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Originally posted by Kitskaboodle:

Hmmm. I wonder if some people are mounting them in such a way that water, mud & debris get into them?
I mount all of mine turned down to around maybe 6:00 to 8:00 position. Most compressors can be mounted
at any angle but some not. As someone mentioned above I hit my air horns every now and then to keep the
compressor oiled. Never had any problems though.

As a final note...even if they were a little less reliable than electric I would still have them because of their
superior sound and attention-getting ability!!

Kit


/\ /\ /\ Agree

It is all in where you mount the stuff. I mounted my compressor and relay in the front trunk nice and dry, and the airhorns "under" the drivers side headlight facing down. I have a notchie with bumperpads. Drilled one hole to route the airhose out of the front trunk down to the horns, and one hole into the cabin to get power from the fuse box to the compressor.

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quote
Originally posted by Kitskaboodle:
I wonder if some people are mounting them in such a way that water, mud & debris get into them?


No. Neither any good.

Diagram not matter itself or any oil.
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Report this Post04-03-2009 01:56 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula OwnerSend a Private Message to Formula OwnerDirect Link to This Post
My take on air horn failures

After doing a bit more research, I have a bit more information to share.

It appears that air horns ARE less reliable than electric horns, largely due to increased complexity, and increased vulnerability to temperatures and debris. However, a good installation can work well for years.

I first thought that most of the problems were due to incompetent installers. From www.crazyred.com (who sells air horn kits for Miatas):

"I looked under the hood of some of my friends' Miatas to see what they had done. Oh boy, what a mess! One person had the horns sticking out of the mouth like buck teeth. Another had a messy morass of electrical relays and wires drilled into the firewall of the car. Another guy kept blowing his horn fuse. There wasn't a one with a truly clean installation."

But I don't believe that all the failures are due to incompetency. I feel that theogre is probably more competent than I am, but he lives in DE which gets much worse weather than GA.

They are more susceptable to cold. I give mine a blast about once a week to verify that it still works, but I don't do it if the temps are below freezing. On pampered exotic cars that rarely venture out of a garage, this is not likely a problem. The fact that I live in the South has probably helped me. I did try it ONCE in freezing temps to verify that it would work.

They are more susceptable to clogging from dirt, bugs, debris & water. Some of the Miata folks have had their's clog up in 6 months. I STRONGLY suspect that this is due to poor location and orientation. The trumpets should be angled downward, and not exposed to direct air flow from the road. The factory horn location seems to work well for this, and the wiring for the horn is already there.

Air horn compressors draw a ton of current. 15 to 20 amps. This doesn't seem to be a problem in my Fiero. I've layed on the horn for a good 5 seconds once at some idiot who ran a red light. No problem. My research has indicated that the included relay is a good idea if you are adding an air horn to your existing horns. If you're replacing them, the relay is most likely not necessary. It's not necessary in my Formula which has a 20 amp fuse. I believe that this fuse is also used for the stereo, so if your Fiero has a powerful stereo, you may need to up your fuse rating. I think the horn relay is rated for 30 amps, so if you need more than that, you'll need to use the extra relay, and if you power it directly from the battery, be sure to include an inline fuse.

Air horns need more maintenance. Most air horn compressors have an oil hole that needs a drop every so often, I'm guessing every year or so. At that time the hoses should also be inspected. I've used the same type hoses for fuel lines on motorcycles. After a couple of years, these hoses get very hard & brittle, but then again, that could be due to the fuel. I don't have enough data yet.

One item I never see addressed is making the electrical connections more robust. I've never seen any installation writeup mention anything about solder, heat shrink, or dielectric grease. These things are your friends, and should be used to protect any exposed wire or contact. Use them. They keep your connections from oxidizing.

Another item I never see addressed is threadlocker. I can't imagine NOT using threadlocker (Loctitc blue) on all the fasteners on a horn. The purpose of a horn is to create high amplitude sound waves... which create vibration. That cool-sounding air horn wouldn't sound nearly as cool as it bounces between the road and your undercarriage on its way out the back.

So, there's my take on it. I still like my air horn, and will install one again if I get a car with a poor oem horn, but I think I now recognize the limitations of such a horn.
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Wanted to add one thing you didnt touch on and that's electrical connectors. (spade, ring and butt connectors)
Often, the installer does not crimp the wires into the connector properly causing a no-connection problem.

My take is that 80-90% of air horn failure is due to a poor installation.

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Report this Post04-03-2009 09:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 30+mpgSend a Private Message to 30+mpgDirect Link to This Post
My 78 Lancia Beta Coupe had dual air horns. During the 22 years that I owned the car, the horns always worked great!
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Three years and still working great!

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