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Report this Post03-04-2009 10:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for aeffertzSend a Private Message to aeffertzDirect Link to This Post
Hey everyone,
Quick question. I have a 1986 Fiero SE 2M4 and I want to update the look a bit. Will parts for the GT fit on the SE with little modification if any?

I want to get regular/stock GT front and rear bumpers as well as the side scoops. Link.



And here's the link to the side scoops. Link.

In a perfect world, these would just snap right into the old places, right? Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Report this Post03-04-2009 10:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mike GonzalezSend a Private Message to Mike GonzalezDirect Link to This Post
They will fit with just minor fitting like any fiberglass part, The centerline moulding wont match, you'll nee to get the Smooth mouldings for your doors and quarters, along with the correct marker lights.
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They will bolt right on. The smooth trim around the gt stuff will be different than your ribbed molding on your se. Almost all the body panels are interchangable except for some mods on the 84.
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Report this Post03-04-2009 11:02 PM Click Here to See the Profile for aeffertzSend a Private Message to aeffertzDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the quick replies!

So that means GT side skirts would snap right on, too?
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Originally posted by Carver1:
The smooth trim around the gt stuff will be different than your ribbed molding on your se.


Which means? Sorry for the hassle, I'm new to this. Haha.

This one looks like they have a GT nose on it and lines up good.


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Nevermind, I understand now. Thanks again!

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Report this Post03-04-2009 11:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Mike GonzalezSend a Private Message to Mike GonzalezDirect Link to This Post
The side skirts will fit, you will have to find a way to attach the Aero lower door mouldings.

If you look at your centerline moulding it is grooved all the way around the car, On the GT parts you pictured look at the trim moulding on the top of the rear bumper, see its rounded and smooth instead. Fierostore sell the trim, jus dont think they have lights yet.
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Report this Post03-04-2009 11:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Carver1Send a Private Message to Carver1Direct Link to This Post
That is not really a GT nose. It is an "Aero" nose. My 86 SE has the same one but with the ribbed molding. The 87-88 cars have the smooth moldings(and maybe 86 gt's?). They can be swapped out except for the rear facia. It is part of the rear cover. The others are bolted on to the car by themselves. The front has the little arrow part that can be replaced also. I like the smooth better. Mine is actually the first car with the ribbed that I have owned. I will be switching them out shortly.

It's hard to tell since they are body color, but they are the older style trim pieces.
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Report this Post03-04-2009 11:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for aeffertzSend a Private Message to aeffertzDirect Link to This Post
Ok, Aero... Makes since. I can't seem to find Aero bumpers, only the stock GT's.

Another question:

GT rear clip, would this also just snap in or is that not possible without doing a whole lot of fiberglassing and whatnot...
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All the bumpers that look like that are aeros. The 84 Indy, 85 gt, 86 se, 86-88 GT, etc. They made notchie and fastbacks with the same nose. They others are coupes. Either bumper pads (84-85) or the shark nose, 87-88 coupes and formulas. The rear cover will bolt up. It fits a little different because of the different tail lights, but it looks ok for most. My 88 is getting a fastback clip but keeping the notchie rear bumper. I might even put the bumper pad front and rear on it just to be different. Make it the way you like it! That is the fun part.
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Originally posted by Carver1:

The rear cover will bolt up. It fits a little different because of the different tail lights, but it looks ok for most.


The rear lights have to be swapped out from the notchback style to the fastback style. When you are done, it will look exactly as it came from the factory that way.
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Originally posted by aeffertz:


Another question:

GT rear clip, would this also just snap in or is that not possible without doing a whole lot of fiberglassing and whatnot...


By GT, I am assuming you mean the fastback? They made the 85 gt with the notchback also. Kinda of a one year bastard. (no offense to the 85 gt's! I love em all )
You need alot of parts to make it work, but it all bolts up, no problem.
You need a rear clip, decklid, tail lights, inner sail panels, quarter windows, tail light harness, decklid seal with the plastic inserts, misc bolts, etc. There are kits for sale on the forum pretty often. I have a complete kit minus the quarter windows. Not 100% sure if I am going to use it or not. I just gathered up all teh pieces in case.
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Report this Post03-04-2009 11:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for pontiackid86Send a Private Message to pontiackid86Direct Link to This Post
i dont know if someone else has said this but the rear bumper will require a GT bracket to mount the bumper.
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Report this Post03-05-2009 01:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jscott1Send a Private Message to jscott1Direct Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

i dont know if someone else has said this but the rear bumper will require a GT bracket to mount the bumper.


No you don't I bolted up a GT bumper without adding a bracket.
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Report this Post03-05-2009 03:05 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2farnorthSend a Private Message to 2farnorthDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by aeffertz:

Hey everyone,
Quick question. I have a 1986 Fiero SE 2M4 and I want to update the look a bit. Will parts for the GT fit on the SE with little modification if any?


Wait a minute! The 86 SE all ready has aero bumpers front and rear. The only difference is the molding, fastback rear clip, deck lid, and taillights.
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Report this Post03-05-2009 03:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierofoolDirect Link to This Post
2farnorth is right. The 86 SE already had the aero package on it. If it doesn't already have the moldings as pictured in your post, could it be tht may be someone has changed out the quarter windows and installed SE badged quarter windows? It would be easy to slip that past someone who's unfamiliar with Fieros. You should also have the quad exhaust pipes if it's an SE, whether it be a 4 or 6 cylinder.

Practically all the panels for the Fiero will interchange to any other Fiero, save maybe as mentioned a few on the 84. The underlying body panels for the Aero moldings have holes for mounting the aero moldings. The lower quarter of the front fender, the lower rear quarter just behind the door each have mounting points provided for the short upper pieces of the aero molding. The door has holes and a stainless steel metal strip underneath the aero molding that attaches to the door. The door aero molding hooks over the top of this, and then rivets to the underneath side of the door. The door sill also has a metal plate underneath it that gives support to the rocker panel, and I believe it also might provide a mounting point. On any car that is factory equipped with the aero package, you can stand in the door sill and wash the top of the car (altitude challenged persons) but if you did that on a conversion that didn't have the underlying metal support, it would likely break.

Changing out the rear clip involves changing the rear tail lights and its associated wiring harness, and some underlying parts that are seen only when the clip is removed. It can be done, but unless you've got a complete donor car to compare and systematically swap parts from one to the other, it might be a little daunting for a first-timer
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Wow, thanks for all of that. I'm almost positive this is an '84 now, rather than an '86 like the previous owner told me. Hmm...

So, with that in mind, mine only has a single muffler, no Aero body parts, and a luggage rack. Here's a picture of my actual car.
It's a 2M4.


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Yup, with some of the brackets for teh front end and gt honeycomb parts, I made this conversion...



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Report this Post03-05-2009 11:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for aeffertzSend a Private Message to aeffertzDirect Link to This Post
Awesome. I'm really excited that it'll still work. Any links/info to what bracket I will need?
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Report this Post03-05-2009 11:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for RWDPLZSend a Private Message to RWDPLZDirect Link to This Post
Looks like an 84 Sport Coupe, what are the 5th and 10th characters in the VIN?

5th character: E = Coupe, M = Sport Coupe, F = SE
10th character: E = 84, F = 85, G = 86

If you want to put a GT body on it, you'll be able to reuse the hood and the roof, and you should be able to keep the front fenders and door skins, I think you just need to drill holes in them to attach the aero ground effects. Not sure what mods you'll have to make to the taillight wiring, though.

An 86 SE would look like a GT, without the fastback.

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Report this Post03-05-2009 11:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for aeffertzSend a Private Message to aeffertzDirect Link to This Post
Sweet. Yeah, I'm just going to keep it a notchie. I found a GT trunk on here for sale, so that should just go right on, too, right?
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a nocthie rear deck lid will fit any nocthie but a fast back deck lid will not. the front bumper that you posted will fit fine, you just need some of the supports and the little trimm pieces that go on the sides. your car might still be a 86 but not a se. if you have a vent in the center of the deck lid it is an 84, if you do change the deck lid make sure you get the side vents
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Here's a pic....





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From your pics it could be an 84, 85, or 86 coupe. I don't see any indication of it being an SE. If it's an original 84 it will have a center vent on the rear decklid with solid removable panels on each side of the decklid. 85 and 86 will have a solid decklid with removable vents on each side. An 84 wiring is also is set up differently in the engine compartment.

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Did you get what you needed to make the conversion?

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Report this Post03-19-2009 10:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadDirect Link to This Post
THe Smooth molding Aero front fascia and rear fascias are not the same as the ribbed fascia in the side area where they atach to the front fender and rear upper body.

The change is due to the design change of the smooth molding - it is not just the marker light as on the ribbed molding, but is the entire length needed to fill the molding recess.

Not to worry, when you get all of your parts together, you will see how to modify parts to get everything to attach properly.

If you have ribbed Aero front and rear fascias, just add the fastback body rear and taillights and rockers and call it a day.
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aeffertz - Is your Fiero still partially submerged in the "lake" ?


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