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Anyone Tapped a Starter Bolt Hole While the Engine was Still in the Car? by Saxman
Started on: 01-17-2009 07:54 AM
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Last post by: Saxman on 01-18-2009 10:28 PM
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Report this Post01-17-2009 07:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
I think I stripped out the starter bolt (long one) on my 3.4 swap. Any of you guys tapped out that bolt hole while the engine was still in the car?

If so, I'm wondering what sizes I need to be working with.

This is so frustrating...

Thanks in advance! I was really hoping to have this car ready for the local DC meet on the 25th.

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Report this Post01-17-2009 08:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for rda738Send a Private Message to rda738Direct Link to This Post
take the bolt to a good locial hardware store check the threads, against various nuts when size is found get the rite helicoil than you use the included tap to rethead hole insert coil put bolt bask in thats it
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Report this Post01-17-2009 08:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofoolClick Here to visit fierofool's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierofoolDirect Link to This Post
Like rda said, if you did strip it out, the only way to repair would be a helicoil. You can't tap to a larger size because the starter bolt you would need wouldn't pass through the starter unless you bored it out, too. A good place to get everything you need, and in the right grade would be a machinist's or industrial supply store. If you can't find one, call a local machine shop and ask where they get their taps and end mills.
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Report this Post01-17-2009 08:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the advice. It doesn't look like helicoil kits are very cheap. Do you know if any of the auto parts stores sell the coils and lend out the tools?
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Report this Post01-17-2009 09:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for hookdonspeedClick Here to visit hookdonspeed's HomePageSend a Private Message to hookdonspeedDirect Link to This Post
sax, what size do you need?
i got helicoil kits here at work, i could quote u cost for one...
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Report this Post01-17-2009 09:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by StockGT:
...the longer bolt, size: 10mm x 114mm, p/n 14001841, no longer listed on-line, the part number could have changed.

... the inboard bolt, the short bolt. Looking in the P-22 manual, the bolt size is : 10mm x 46mm.
p/n 14001842, still is listed at GMPartsDirect, GM list is $4.25, looks like a common part, so any GM dealer should have it in stock.


According to StockGT's post on another thread, these are 10mm bolts.

Military discount?

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Report this Post01-17-2009 10:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for hookdonspeedClick Here to visit hookdonspeed's HomePageSend a Private Message to hookdonspeedDirect Link to This Post
eh, ill just do it at storecost lol..
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Report this Post01-18-2009 06:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
Good news. The starter bolt wasn't even in far enough to hold down the starter, so that's why wouldn't engage. Whew! Thanks for the discount offer, Hooked - and offers of help.

I went ahead and tightened it good, not worrying if I stripped it out (since I had the helicoil option) and it was fine. I guess I was so worried about stripping it out that I stopped torquing it as soon as I met any resistance. The bolt was almost 1/8th inch loose!

The starter engages and the engine started just fine. The starter is, however, VERY loud. So much that it hurts my ears in the garage. I guess it still needs some adjusting. Now I don't know if the marks on the flexplate teeth are from the loose starter or the newly-created loud-starter.

More to come. I'm going out now for some new trans fluid so I can go for a ride tonight!
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Report this Post01-18-2009 07:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jetmanClick Here to visit jetman's HomePageSend a Private Message to jetmanDirect Link to This Post
Saxman, you may need an additional shim or two to quiet down that starter but don't exceed 4 shims in total. You may consider getting that noise straightened out first as you don't want to put any undue stress on a starter that's out of adjustment.
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Report this Post01-18-2009 07:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tha DriverClick Here to visit Tha Driver's HomePageSend a Private Message to Tha DriverDirect Link to This Post
More importantly, you don't want to bugger up (that's a technical term ) the teeth on the flywheel. If it's the same as other chevy products, the correct measurement is 1/8" between the teeth on the flywheel & the starter shaft. Hopefuly someone that knows the 3.4 measurement will chime in.
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Report this Post01-18-2009 09:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
The 3.4 is the same distance according to Rodney Dickmans starter relocation kit.

Do you think the loud sound is from being too close?
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Report this Post01-18-2009 09:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jetmanClick Here to visit jetman's HomePageSend a Private Message to jetmanDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Saxman:
Do you think the loud sound is from being too close?


It's very possible if it's too close. Check your flywheel cover too, that'll make a racket if it's not installed properly.

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Report this Post01-18-2009 09:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for katatakSend a Private Message to katatakDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Saxman:


According to StockGT's post on another thread, these are 10mm bolts.

Military discount?




Military Discount? - That means it would cost you about 2500.00 for the helicoil kit. lol Just kidding.......

Was the bolt stripped - threads gone off the bolt or is the bolt intact? I would think the bolt would loose its threads before the hole in the block? Could be as simple as cleaning out the threads in the block with a tap?

Did a quick search - not sure if this is the right size but cost should be the same:
http://www.amazon.com/Helic...ir-Kit/dp/B0002SRF80

Once you have the kit, it should not take too long to get it done. Good luck!

Pat

Edit to add: Oops- guess I should have read the whole thread......heehee ....

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Report this Post01-18-2009 10:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SaxmanClick Here to visit Saxman's HomePageSend a Private Message to SaxmanDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for the info, nonetheless, Katatak.

For anyone looking for more info on helicoil installs, check out this vid. Pretty simple stuff.

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