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4.0 olds v8 ? by bozemanfiero
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just a fast q i got a 95 olds with the 4.0 v8 dohc (vin c ) with 58000 on it got it for free the person crashed the back end and now i got it all will it work in a fiero and the trans ?

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The 4.0 is known as a "shortstar" it was decked shorter than the popular cadilac northstar, and I imagine it was done so Cadillac wouldnt get all upset about sharing their fancy northstar thunder. Everything about the shortstar swap is identical to the northstar swaps, I am sure somone will chime in about northstar swapping, but for the most part, I know that serious cradle engieering is required, along with some rather difficult PCM programming due to extensive passkey and the inability to easily reprogram the ECU's.

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Your looking at basically doing a n* swap with a destroked I believe engine. It will bolt to your tranny. If your capable of doing a N* swap, your all set, If not, you will have to ask lots of questions here.
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from Wikipedia

[edit] L47

A L47 inside an Aurora's engine bayThe L47 Aurora engine was a special V8 designed for the Oldsmobile Aurora, based on the Northstar engine. It is a DOHC 4.0 L (3995 cc) V8 which produced 250 horsepower (186 kW) and 260 ft·lbf (353 N·m) of torque. The bore is 87 mm and the stroke is 84 mm. The L47 has a 10.3:1 compression ratio and uses premium fuel.

Although most of the Northstar's features, including the coolant loss system, remained intact, the decreased bore increased weight unacceptably. To reduce it, Oldsmobile used a one-piece glass-filled thermoplastic intake manifold and simplified AC Rochester sequential fuel injection. A new die-cast structural aluminum oil pan incorporated baffling to reduce oil starvation in hard driving. A starter interlock prevents the starter from engaging if the quiet L47 is already running.

A highly modified version of this engine was used by General Motors racing division initially for Indy Racing League competition starting in 1995, then was later used in the Cadillac Northstar LMP program in 2000. Both engines retained the 4.0 L capacity, but the Northstar LMP version was twin-turbocharged.

The Aurora engine was introduced in 1994 for the 1995 model year, and General Motors has not used this engine since the demise of the marque in 2004.


[edit] LX5

A "Shortstar" LX5 inside an Intrigue's engine bayThe LX5 V6 is a DOHC engine from Oldsmobile, introduced in 1999 with the Oldsmobile Intrigue. It was produced by the Premium engine group at GM and was thus called the Premium V6, or PV6, while it was being developed. It is based on the L47 Aurora V8, which is itself based on the Northstar engine, so engineers called it the Short North, though Oldsmobile fans have taken to calling it the Shortstar.

It is not a simple cut-down V8. Although it has a 90° vee-angle like the Northstar and Aurora, the engine block was engineered from scratch, so bore centers are different. It has chain-driven dual overhead cams and 4 valves per cylinder, but is an even-firing design with a split-pin crankshaft similar to the modern GM 3800 engines. The LX5 displaced 3.5 L (3473 cc) and produced 215 hp (160 kW) and 230 ft·lbf (312 N·m). Bore is 89.5 mm and stroke is 92 mm.

The cost of building this engine was high, and it was not used in many vehicles. It was said at the time that a family of premium V6s would follow, with displacements ranging from 3.3 L to 3.7 L, but only the LX5 was ever produced. It was entirely different from any other V6 in the GM inventory, and as with the Aurora V8, production stopped with the demise of Oldsmobile.

This engine was used in the following:

1999-2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue
2001-2002 Oldsmobile Aurora
The 3.5L LX5 was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1999 and 2000.

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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

The 4.0 is known as a "shortstar" it was decked shorter than the popular cadilac northstar, and I imagine it was done so Cadillac wouldnt get all upset about sharing their fancy northstar thunder. Everything about the shortstar swap is identical to the northstar swaps, I am sure somone will chime in about northstar swapping, but for the most part, I know that serious cradle engieering is required, along with some rather difficult PCM programming due to extensive passkey and the inability to easily reprogram the ECU's.



Just a small correction. The 4.0 is NOT the shortstar. The shortstar is a 3.5L V6 (see above ^). It is essentually a 4.0 with two cylinders removed. This is why it is refered to as the "Shortstar".

I was looking at both when I removed my 4.9 from the junkyard. Either one would be lots of fun in a fiero though. I'm sure you would get some good gas mileage with the 3.5 also.
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hmm well anybody like to have it im lookign for a ezer swap like the 3800 let me know i u like to have it has the wireing and ecu have the full car
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If you're doing a Short-Star, then i'd suggest going all the way with a "worked-over" variant of the motor; an IRL Aurora V8 running on biofuel E100. LOL

here's one forsale on E-Bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
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quote
Originally posted by darkhorizon:

The 4.0 is known as a "shortstar" it was decked shorter than the popular cadilac northstar, and I imagine it was done so Cadillac wouldnt get all upset about sharing their fancy northstar thunder. Everything about the shortstar swap is identical to the northstar swaps, I am sure somone will chime in about northstar swapping, but for the most part, I know that serious cradle engieering is required, along with some rather difficult PCM programming due to extensive passkey and the inability to easily reprogram the ECU's.



Get ryan.hess's ECM kernel. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by JCUOIT:

If you're doing a Short-Star, then i'd suggest going all the way with a "worked-over" variant of the motor; an IRL Aurora V8 running on biofuel E100. LOL

here's one forsale on E-Bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V


Wow, that's cheap!

Looks like they have a centrifugal blower? what in the world is that?
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Wow, that's cheap!

Looks like they have a centrifugal blower? what in the world is that?


lol umm yea id kill my self if the wife did not do it first for the $$
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:

Looks like they have a centrifugal blower? what in the world is that?


alternator drive off the timing chain
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quote
Originally posted by JCUOIT:

If you're doing a Short-Star, then i'd suggest going all the way with a "worked-over" variant of the motor; an IRL Aurora V8 running on biofuel E100. LOL

here's one forsale on E-Bay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...dZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V



IT IS NOT A STREET MOTOR
IN FACT NO PARTS SWAP
IT IS A 3/4 SCALE COPY OF THE AURORA
and not a hotrod version

I found the stash of those motors after the rule change
and wanted to use parts like heads and intakes on a N*
but nothing fits as the sizes are different
they made the whole motor smaller do to airo drag
and to fit in the indy car
btw they only live about 500 miles before they need a rebuild

BTW the guy who has the main stash wants way less the that for a motor
his were about 1/2 that buy it now price
but need expencive motec controlers

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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?

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quote
Originally posted by Steven Snyder:


alternator drive off the timing chain


In FRONT of the alternator
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water pump i would say
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Report this Post05-17-2007 12:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RCRSend a Private Message to RCRDirect Link to This Post
I'm doing the 4.0 swap right now. I'm following AJ's lead in the way he mounted his N*: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/078978.html

Where are you located?
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I believe that the shelby series 1 cobra from around the late 90's used a modified version of the aurora 4.0
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Report this Post09-08-2008 05:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CBulenClick Here to visit CBulen's HomePageSend a Private Message to CBulenDirect Link to This Post
Anybody have the external dimensions of the Aurora L47 motor?

I would like to know the length from the bellhousing face to the crank pulley, overall width and overall height. Photos with a ruler would be fantastic!
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