Ok heres the question.....We all know that we can have , on some Fiero model thru the model year 1984-86, the option RPO WS6.

The GT always have it in standard.

But is it true that in 1987 and 1988 the RPO code disapeared?

I know that the 87 GT and the 88 Formula/ GT still have the best suspention available over the other model in the linup, but the RPO WS6 didnt exist anymore since this option was unavailable on the other model in the lineup?

Or does the NIFE Enthusiat Guide to the Fiero is in error?

IIRC, my 88 Formula has the WS6 code. I'll have to double check, but I'm 98% positive it has the code.

what did the WS6 package affect? What were the different parts put on one of these cars?

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quote Originally posted by doublec4: what did the WS6 package affect? What were the different parts put on one of these cars?

If there was a WS6 in 88 the only thing it could have affected was the presence of a rear sway bar and spring rates. Those are the only 2 things that varied from car to car.

@ DoubleC4 : In fact, a RPO code is here mainly because you can choose from two or more "option" on a system of a car...here we talk about the suspension system. If each model in the (name the year) lineup of the Fiero have only one choice of suspension option, it cant have an RPO code, since its useless. But we can "consider" that the WS6 like suspension was still available in standard on the upper scale model (Formula and GT) in 1988.... In the other year it was the performance suspension upgrade was named WS6...was available in option on some model, like in 1985, when you can choose the base suspension or the WS6 (like the GT) to put on the SE.

But is it true that the '88 model year have only one type of suspension by model (base suspension on coupe/sport coupe and performance on the formula/GT) and is it true that the WS6 option name wasnt used anymore in this model year. That was my question.

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quote Originally posted by perry rhodan: But is it true that the '88 model year...base suspension on coupe/sport coupe...

I bought a notchie new in '88 and still have it. What was the differences in a "coupe" and a "sport coupe"? You are separating these as different models just as you did for Formula and GT.

Sorry, I made an error ...the Sport Coupe was not available en 1988. Just the previous years.

The difference between the the Coupe and Sport Coupe prior to 1988 was mainly based on some option like, the radio option, transmission etc that are only available in the Sport Coupe. But these are still notchies with virtually the same appearance.

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It is basically "quick steer". The rack and pinion ratio is quicker. All 84's had it, after that it was an option.

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carpe diem

What are you talking about Frankenfiero1?

If your talking about the RPO WS6, this option is related to the suspension only. Not the steering. And in 1984, WS6 is standard only on the SE and Indy. For the Sport coupe its an option and is not available for the Coupe.


Or youre talking about something else

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Frankenfiero is talking about the steering rack ratio, which is completely unrelated to WS6. On the Fiero, WS6 basically just determined the spring rate (the stiffest springs). In 84 at least, it also included the 14" High-Tech rims and 215/60R14 Goodyear Eagle GT tires.

The quick ratio steering was standard on all 84 Fieros. I'm not sure about later years, but I'm pretty sure all the GT's had it.

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1984 Fiero SE

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Frankenfiero is talking about the steering rack ratio, which is completely unrelated to WS6 The quick ratio steering was standard on all 84 Fieros. I'm not sure about later years, but I'm pretty sure all the GT's had it.

Ok thanks. Thats what I was thinking

RWDPLZ.... Do you know if this "quick steering" have an RPO code? I dont find anything about that

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: On the Fiero, WS6 basically just determined the spring rate (the stiffest springs). In 84 at least, it also included the 14" High-Tech rims and 215/60R14 Goodyear Eagle GT tires.

What you refer here ressemble to the RPO Y99, the Suspension Rally Tuned, that come with the RPO N78 (the High Tech cast alu) in 1985 and 1986. For exemple, in 1985 if you take the WS6 option on your Fiero Sport Coupe, you can take another style of wheel (the 13 inchs Turbo finned alu wheel). Youre not confined to the High tech like the option Y99 seem to be forced.

In fact youre right about the "stiffer spring". And I found that the change with the WS6 is also "revised control arm" for more travel and revalved shock.


Just for your info, if you wonder where I'm fishing all this, all the things I'm writing here come from the Enthusiast Guide to the Pontiac Fiero (NIFE publication) 2005 edition.. Mainly...but not all.

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on Camaro they called that quick response steering box ( 68 RS/SS 396 )

I have been keeping a notebook on my 84 fiero. I have done this because it does not have a RPO sticker. I have probably gone to over 100 fiero sites to research what I have in my 84 (want to swap the best to my 85). It is listed as "WS6 special suspension package". While the spring codes might be different for this package (RPO codes 6xx, 7xx, 8xx, 9xx (x's are numbers) ), the other thing that was changed was the steering. ALL 84's had this steering. There are not to many other things suspension-wise that could have been changed if you think about it. The cradle has it's own code. The sway bar remained unchanged until 87. So does the WS6 package also have a vacuum that sucks your butt to the seat? If it does, I would like to know to add it to my notebook.

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carpe diem

oups wsih i wouldn't have this option does it turn off when you take the ignition off to? Wondering getting stopped by the cops and they try to pull you out of the car
They will rip your arms off .

Moignon Moignon Moignon

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quote Originally posted by frankenfiero1: So does the WS6 package also have a vacuum that sucks your butt to the seat? If it does, I would like to know to add it to my notebook.

So youre the kind of people that fart often in his car?


But joking aside,if this steering is standard on all '84, and dont have any other option to choose from, it doesnt belong to any RPO code in this case...I think.

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I have an early 84 (#1192, built Aug 16, 83), and its steering ratio is even quicker than my dads 84 SE (#75000 WS6), and my parts 84 (#30000-50000, also WS6), both my dads 84, and my parts car 84, are 3 turns lock to lock, my 84 sport coupe, is only 2.5 lock to lock. My 86 base coupe rack was originally 3.5 turns lock to lock, but got replaced with my 84 rack, so it is only 3 turns now. I wonder if some of the pre-release Fieros, and early Fiero's like my 84 got the 2.5 rack, and GM did a running change early in the 84 run to reduce steering effort which was often complained about in reviews?

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84 Fiero Sport Coupe #1192 :: 86 Fiero Base Coupe Quad 4 HO :: 1998 Dodge Neon EX 2Dr 2.0L DOHC Auto

quote Originally posted by jscott1: If there was a WS6 in 88 the only thing it could have affected was the presence of a rear sway bar and spring rates. Those are the only 2 things that varied from car to car.

Actually all the 88s used the same spring rates.. so the only thing it could've affected was a rear sway bar.
Things were funky for 88.. There were different spring codes but they referred to slightly different uncompressed heights of the springs. The rates were the same. I guess the factory used the different heights to tweak ride heights a bit for different option levels so the car didn't sit funny.. though it seems all the 88s ended up sitting too high in the front anyway.

quote Originally posted by perry rhodan: I know that the 87 GT and the 88 Formula/ GT still have the best suspention available over the other model in the linup, but the RPO WS6 didnt exist anymore since this option was unavailable on the other model in the lineup?

Note, the 88 coupe had the same suspension as the 88 Formula & GT, besides not having a rear swaybar. There was no difference in suspension besides the lack of rear swaybar in the coupe.
I also argue that the rear swaybar on the Formula and GT makes for a worse handling car. I HAVE driven my car (88 with 3.4 DOHC swap) both with and without the rear swaybar on the same day at the same road course.With stock spring rates, poly bushings on all four corners, 195/14 tires up front and sticky 225/15s in the rear, I had extreme, (and twitchy!) oversteer. Disconnecting the rear swaybar made the car far more controllable and stable feeling and gave me better grip overall even though I was getting enough body roll in corners to have positive camber on the rear outer tire. The factory rear swaybar is just far to stiff, even with improved tire size stagger over the stock setup.

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quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Frankenfiero is talking about the steering rack ratio, which is completely unrelated to WS6. On the Fiero, WS6 basically just determined the spring rate (the stiffest springs). In 84 at least, it also included the 14" High-Tech rims and 215/60R14 Goodyear Eagle GT tires. The quick ratio steering was standard on all 84 Fieros. I'm not sure about later years, but I'm pretty sure all the GT's had it.

According to the magazine tests, the WS6 Option in the earlier years DID include the quicker steering ratio. It wasn't a separate option that you added to the WS6- it was part of the WS6 option. But that's according to the magazines and other media I've seen. Just FYI.

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My 88 Formula has WS6. I verified it on the RPO chart in the front compartment.

According to my 88 Pontiac sales brochure, there are two different suspensions for 88, Y99 and WS6.

WS6 Special Performance
P205/60R15 front and P215/60R15 rear Goodyear Eagle GT+4 tires
23mm front stabilizer bar
22mm rear stabilizer bar
16:1 quick-ratio rack-and-pinion steering
special springs and bushings
special shocks
special control arms

Y99 Rally Tuned
P195/70R14 Goodyear Eagle GT tires
23mm front stabilizer bar
22:1 rack-and-pinion steering
special springs and bushings
special shocks
14 x 6" cast aluminum wheels