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Is a Fiero good for racing? by goatnipples2002
Started on: 10-25-2007 12:16 AM
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Report this Post10-25-2007 12:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
I have been on here for a few years and have heard many times that a Fiero is not a good platform for racing.

Is it because of the tranny? Is it the whole FWD setup?

I love my fiero, but I have yet to hear of anybody that has come up with a way to make the stock tranny handle a high tq or hp motor.

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Report this Post10-25-2007 12:51 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierodeletreSend a Private Message to fierodeletreDirect Link to This Post
I'll bet one of those G6 6 speeds would make a fine racing tranny. Doc John? You ever race your beast? (He has an LS2 and the G6 6spd in it)

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Report this Post10-25-2007 01:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for niemann99Send a Private Message to niemann99Direct Link to This Post
The answer can be summed up in three words,

Weight, weight, weight

If you want to go road racing, find a Fiero GTP book and build a tube frame car. They were very lightweight, but needs a competitive modern engine, which would probably be against the rules. Fieros can still do very well in Autocross, though.

If you want to go drag racing, might as well go tube frame and use the Ecotec or 3.6 VVT + turbo and built 4t65e HD in the rear, unless you are bracket racing.

Stock Fiero spaceframe makes a nice street car though, don't you think?
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Report this Post10-25-2007 02:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GT QuickSend a Private Message to GT QuickDirect Link to This Post
The answer can be summed up in one word- no.
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Report this Post10-25-2007 08:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
several reasons:
first is the stock layout is underpowered. many types of racing dont allow much modifying.
next is the weight. for their size - Fiero's are dang heavy. they weigh as much as a mid size car.
next - the hand brake. no explanation needed. you just plain old cant grab the hand brake then grab a gear.

there are of course many more worse choices. and much depends on the rules.
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Report this Post10-25-2007 08:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ccfiero350Send a Private Message to ccfiero350Direct Link to This Post
It's true, we race fieros because we love them, not because they win a lot. There are too many other cars in stock classes that weigh less, handle better and have more power.

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Report this Post10-25-2007 08:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SCCAFieroSend a Private Message to SCCAFieroDirect Link to This Post
They are good for fun, but they are not that competitive depending on what class you run in.

If it has more than ONE seat, it is not a race car. (stirrin the pot, lol)

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Report this Post10-25-2007 10:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Zac88GTClick Here to visit Zac88GT's HomePageSend a Private Message to Zac88GTDirect Link to This Post
I do great when i autox my fiero, only in raw time though. It's modded up the wazoo so I get put in Emod class or something like that, but raw time is the only thing that i care about because it's the only thing that can say this car is actually faster than that one.
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Report this Post10-25-2007 11:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Billybo455Send a Private Message to Billybo455Direct Link to This Post
you must plow a lot of cones :P i autox mine every month. it does great with a set of hoosiers on it. i race f prepared with race tired miata's. with an auto tranny i usually do better then most people think i will.
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Report this Post10-25-2007 11:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
Anything that requires you to fit in a class, no a fiero is not good for racing, because it is either put in the "heavy mod" classes, or the "wide open" classes, where you will be competing against hand built stuff, that will whoop on you.

The only thing I think fieros are good for is straight line racing, if you can build a decent automatic transmission. The amount of traction available, is quite unbelievable, you will have a huge leg up on cars with your similar horsepower/weight, just because of the balance of a fiero. At the strip, the class you run in will be limited by what power adders, motors, dry weight, and tires you are running, and not by what make or configuration your car is.

My friend with a manual swap races down at some curvy road racing track in ohio, I think its mostly for fun, but it works very well for him.
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Report this Post10-25-2007 11:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for flames4meSend a Private Message to flames4meDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

Anything that requires you to fit in a class, no a fiero is not good for racing, because it is either put in the "heavy mod" classes, or the "wide open" classes, where you will be competing against hand built stuff, that will whoop on you.

The only thing I think fieros are good for is straight line racing, if you can build a decent automatic transmission. The amount of traction available, is quite unbelievable, you will have a huge leg up on cars with your similar horsepower/weight, just because of the balance of a fiero. At the strip, the class you run in will be limited by what power adders, motors, dry weight, and tires you are running, and not by what make or configuration your car is.

My friend with a manual swap races down at some curvy road racing track in ohio, I think its mostly for fun, but it works very well for him.


well said... my thoughts exactly!

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Report this Post10-25-2007 12:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for goatnipples2002Click Here to visit goatnipples2002's HomePageSend a Private Message to goatnipples2002Direct Link to This Post
Now what about with a Fiero manual? The reason I ask is because I want to make more power than the stock tranny was meant for and I want reliable power so that I am not changing trannies every month. I may change my mind on making it fast because it doesn't seem I can make the 4 or 5 speeds reliable.

The general consensus is that the Fiero is a FUN car, UNLESS you swap to an auto tranny (not an option for me) than it can be a monster. I want to make serious power with a manual.

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Report this Post10-25-2007 12:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Austrian ImportSend a Private Message to Austrian ImportDirect Link to This Post
I always thought the F-35 would make a great tranny for racing. Side benefit: The stock LSD it comes with. They use that tranny for the U.S. version of the Ariel Atom. I talked to Brammo, and they don't seem to have any problems with that tranny for racing applications. Quaife, I think, also has a 6spd fully synchronized straight cut conversion kit. The LSD version can be had for $1100 used from carparts.com. IIRC somebody made an adapter kit for the Fiero.

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Report this Post10-25-2007 02:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Billybo455Send a Private Message to Billybo455Direct Link to This Post
see that comment isn't true. the car does pretty well in the stock and prepared classes. 2002z28ssconv i think that's his name, does pretty good in the race class he's in. you can do a motor swap and stay out of the street mod class. with my conversion i'll be A race which is against vettes and what not. but if i didn't up the displacment and add boost i would have only been in C race. auto x is something that huge power doesn't mean they are going to kick your ass. hence a miata.
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