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4.9 gas guzzler by VFR182
Started on: 10-19-2007 09:42 AM
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Report this Post10-19-2007 09:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VFR182Send a Private Message to VFR182Direct Link to This Post
I recently got my 85 conversion back. having never put over 50 miles on it but now driving 50 miles per week or so I am curious. It seems that it gets horrible gas mileage, runs like a top, sounds great, goes like stink but I feel like i need a fuel truck to follow me around. Ill bet its since I race it around but anyone can comment?
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Report this Post10-19-2007 09:54 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierohohoSend a Private Message to fierohohoDirect Link to This Post
What are you getting per gallon?
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Originally posted by VFR182:
Ill bet its since I race it around but anyone can comment?


Yes - had a local fellow to me say the same thing. Was absoulty convinced there was something wrong with the car, but when he took it on a road trip and kept his foot out of it the gas milage went up.

Of course, this assumes everything is working on the car (O2 sensor, no vac leaks, etc). Try taking it easy for a tank of gas and see what happens...
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Report this Post10-19-2007 11:09 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VFR182Send a Private Message to VFR182Direct Link to This Post
thats what i figured. I am getting about 12 mpg. the old duke that was in there averaged about 36mpg and even more on the highway without ac running. My guess is each hole shot from the stop light consumes a gallon or so..
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Report this Post10-19-2007 11:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
Yea, my wife's 4.9 gets about 15 around town but 27mpg on the highway. It's FI with Ed's harness.
It's too hard to stay out of the pedal.

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runs like a top, sounds great, goes like stink but I feel like i need a fuel truck to follow me around. Ill bet its since I race it around but anyone can comment?


Ah Steve, I think we've got your first clue.

My 4.9 gets in the vicinity of 27 and up. I also believe the vast majority of your miles are driven in town. Check it on a trip to somewhere beside the local pub.

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<- 24 w/ the 5spd
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Report this Post10-19-2007 03:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for J GunsettClick Here to visit J Gunsett's HomePageSend a Private Message to J GunsettDirect Link to This Post
Stick or auto? I got 22 MPG with the 4 speed. 30MPG with the 6 speed on the highway, half that in town.

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Report this Post10-20-2007 02:06 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FrizlefrakSend a Private Message to FrizlefrakDirect Link to This Post
I'm getting about 16-17 around town. I haven't taken it on a long trip yet, but I did spend one day with just freeway speed cruising and it was around 24.

The funny thing is the car smells rich, but there's no visible exhaust smoke, and after 2000 miles since the swap, the oil is still very clean. I'm not running a catalytic converter, which may account for the smell. The car is so quick stoplight to stoplight, I have a seriously hard time keeping my foot out of it.

With only 12 mpg, something is either amiss or you're having some serious fun with the car. Like the others said, first thing to check is for a vacuum leak. Next is for a dead O2 sensor.
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Report this Post10-20-2007 10:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for VFR182Send a Private Message to VFR182Direct Link to This Post
Its an automatic. Funny you mentioned the rich smell. Mine also has no converter but I too smell fuel like a rich running condition, no smoke no drips from the pipes. most likely unburned exhaust contributing to global warming, death of a penguine somewhere and ice cap failure. I will check on the other suggestions. Incidentally I killed a few polar bears this morning ont he way to work..
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Report this Post10-20-2007 11:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RONT4.9Send a Private Message to RONT4.9Direct Link to This Post
I got 24-26 up and down the coast of oregon. Some city some highway. But oh, what a fun drive.
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Report this Post10-20-2007 11:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for aaronrusSend a Private Message to aaronrusDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by VFR182:

I recently got my 85 conversion back. having never put over 50 miles on it but now driving 50 miles per week or so I am curious. It seems that it gets horrible gas mileage, runs like a top, sounds great, goes like stink but I feel like i need a fuel truck to follow me around. Ill bet its since I race it around but anyone can comment?


Two things right off the bat:

1) if you dont have a catalytic converter, you NEED to install an extra relay and run heated O2 sensors, otherwise your car will just not run efficiently and you will get horrible gas mileage. sure the o2 sensors will check out to the computer and give a reading, but they wont heat up enough to give the PROPER readings.

2) make sure the power steering inputon the ECM is recieving a straight +12 volts from an ignition source, otherwise you will load up rich all the time because it will think that the power steering is cramping and it will enrich the fuel mixture. ive seen this drop people's economy with the 4.9L as much as 8-10 mpg, no joke...

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Originally posted by RONT4.9:

I got 24-26 up and down the coast of oregon. Some city some highway. But oh, what a fun drive.


That is a nice drive. Also up Mt Hood and into the gorge. Lots of nice roads with lots if curves.
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Report this Post10-21-2007 12:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroMaster88Send a Private Message to FieroMaster88Direct Link to This Post
I get around 15-18mpg around town. Not sure what I get on the highway, havent been on any long trips with it yet. I'm sure my mileage would be better if my right foot was lighter.

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Report this Post10-21-2007 12:46 AM Click Here to See the Profile for uhlanstanSend a Private Message to uhlanstanDirect Link to This Post
Any time gas milage is poor and the car runs great check out the ground connections,this is for coolant temperature sensor,especially if car has 2 wire sensor,the ground wire may run to ecm..if 1 wire cts ground to block you are O.K. it is possible for tape to prevent good ground if you use to much but this is rare occurrence. some time in swap there is not proper engine to frame ground
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Report this Post10-21-2007 02:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FrizlefrakSend a Private Message to FrizlefrakDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by aaronrus:


Two things right off the bat:

1) if you dont have a catalytic converter, you NEED to install an extra relay and run heated O2 sensors, otherwise your car will just not run efficiently and you will get horrible gas mileage. sure the o2 sensors will check out to the computer and give a reading, but they wont heat up enough to give the PROPER readings.

2) make sure the power steering inputon the ECM is recieving a straight +12 volts from an ignition source, otherwise you will load up rich all the time because it will think that the power steering is cramping and it will enrich the fuel mixture. ive seen this drop people's economy with the 4.9L as much as 8-10 mpg, no joke...



Hmmmm....interesting. The heated O2 sensor sounds like a good idea. I didn't realize the lack of a cat would have that effect. I'll give it a shot when I get a chance and report back with the results. I'm using an Injection Technology harness.....that should supply the needed 12 volts to the ECM for the power steering input, correct? I was under the impression that without that input, the ECM would disable fuel trim completely and the car wouldn't run at all.
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