hi guys i know i put a post up for the 3800sc swap but i was woundering if any one might know besides having the engine and transmission with every thing on it, basicly i know its not a straight drop in engine is thier anything stock on the car that will need to be changed or different parts i will need to buy a list would be very helpfull thanks guys.

cv shafts. bracket to relocate the alternator. a bracket for the throttle. computer and wiring harness.

If you use a Fiero manual transmission, you can use Fiero CVs.

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With 4-speed what about the flywheel.
Don`t you have to have it machined down or something?

quote Originally posted by TXGOOD: With 4-speed what about the flywheel. Don`t you have to have it machined down or something?

Yes you need a machined down Camaro flywheel to work on a manuel install.

Do a search. It's all here. I bought my flywheel from WCF. You'll may get lucky and find a machine shop willing to turn the flywheel but I wasn't able to. I used a Spec3 clutch. If you go automatic you have to build the axle half shafts but it's not hard. You can build your own motor mounts if you can weld. You can also buy them. I got mine from WCF but don't recommend them. Their fit was very poor. Another member, Purple Reign I think, used to make some. He might still. FieroFlyer does fantastic looking harnesses for ~$400 canadian or you can do your own if you're good with wiring. Lloyde (FastFieros) can reprogram the OBD2 PCM. Darth does the OBD1's. The alternator is a big choice. You have to decide what you'll be happiest with. Again, the search will show you many options there. Then there's the fuel lines, bigger fuel pump, coolant lines, exhaust and I'm sure I've left something out...

I'm still trying to finish mine...

This may be a bit off the subject but it is about the 3800sc swap. Almost everyone I know and quite a few that are on here, have had some sort of a problem, be it big or small with their cars after a swap. What do you guys think? Is it maybe skimping on buying parts, or the unknown condition of the engine going in, or just maybe the non-compatibility of the parts from two different cars. I`m hoping to find an engine that at least has a good block and supercharger because I want to rebuild it. The last motor I rebuilt I took to a local machine shop and had him
go through it and balance the internals and he did a great job.

You need to change your perspective. They all had problems in the final stages of the swap. But keep in mind, it is a pretty involved process to put a non-naitive engine into any car. With inexperienced hands there will always be something that gets frustrating. Sometimes even with experienced hands.

Everybody gets in a hurry and screws stuff up every now and then. But I don't think you will have any different results if you look at the other swaps either. They all have issues. Even if you put a 2.8 in place of another 2.8. You still run the risk of leaving one minor detail unfinished and causing you to pull your hair out trying to find the problem. Just look at all the people on here that have problems with their original engines... It's all part of the game.

Yea, that`s true. I was trying to get an input as to if people had some of the same problems over and over again as to maybe what to watch out for. I know a little about swaps of difficulty. Back in the late 70`s I put a 289 V-8 into a Pinto. It had a 4-speed and a Mustang rear end.

I think it is just wear and tear.
The 3800sc is sorta like a "hotrod engine", it will need some "tweeking" here and there. You run it hard and something will break. clutch will burn.
Maybe the sensor(s) are going bad, heat could be a problem on them, but nobody has had any hard facts on that.

I would think that any engine that is not suppose to be in the engine compartment will fail at some point, for some reason.

A USED engine will not be a new engine with new parts or sensors, so there is a problem right there!
I would replace all sensors first, heck maybe even the water pump, gaskets, etc. just so you minamize the possabilly of one of them failing on ya. BUT that cost $$ and most people just want to go fast right out of the gate.

My fuel pump became cloged...even though I cleaned it out at the time of the swap, it still became dirty and ruined my performance. That is way it was throwing me off. I did clean everything when I put the new pump in for the swap.
Things just happen!

yes machine to .840 from the face that mounts to the crank flange and the clutch surface.

quote Originally posted by MstangsBware: Yes you need a machined down Camaro flywheel to work on a manuel install.

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Just thought I would add on the "sensor" statment.

I have owned a 97GTP for 4 years, and spent alot of time around them for the last few years including swaps ect. I have never had problems related to old sensors or failing sensors. I have cleaned a maf or 2, but they never solved any problems specificly. I suppose the most common sensor failure is the maf, but I have never found them to be the cause of any problems in my experience.