Hi, this is my first post and i hope that it is well recieved.

I was wondering if someone could tell me if it were possible to run a transverse 3800 Series II engine off a stick Camaro's 3800 ECU?

I ask this because i don't know of any way to bypass the ECU's need for a signal from the transmission. If there are other known ways to bypass this please inform me.

Thank you very much.

JC

While I am sure some will post here you dont need programming, I do the programming of OBDII PCM's for the 3800's ....

http://www.fastfieros.com/upgrades/upgrades.htm

Enjoy the rest of the website if nothing else...

Loyde

Lloyd is correct the best thing to do is to have the PCM reprogrammed but you do not have to send it all the way to Dallas texas there is two guys in Toronto that can do the programming and I along with a friend are just starting to do PCM programming for the 3800SC and N/A engine swaps. Dan

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I have yet to purchase a donar car for my swap, i have found a lot of Series 1's but little series 2's. is the 3800 series II the only PCM that is reprogramed in toronto? or is the series II just a better engine to start with? i've read that it has better internals. is this true?

how much for the toronto reprograming?

thanks.
JC

series 2 motors are much better, and the supercharged option is hands down very good also.

As far as programming goes, I wouldnt worry about it that much as programming is a fairly easy thing to come by. The funny thing is with my supercharged swaps that I used the manual camero files, and loaded them onto other PCM's, modified of course.

how do you modify the PCM's files? can you just remove or modify the ones that communicate with the tranny?

thanks
JC

The series II is by far a better engine to use especially super charged version, they are a little hard to find at times but are available if you look hard enough. A wreckers just outside of Hastings Ont has two one is a complete set up from a 97 Regal and the other is just the engine from a 2001 Park Ave ultra. If you don't mind a short trip drop by some time and I can show you my 3800SC Fiero as well as two other swaps that are here being done. Dan

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I would love to speak with people who have done this. I am jumping head first (win or loose) into this project to learn more about GM cars. Im going to check out a 95 Bonneville tomorrow, its 500 obo and i'll most likely buy it. but it has over 200,000km's on it, should i keep looking? i am trying to do this on the cheap. my fiero has sat for about a year now and i basicly just want to see what i can get out of the old girl. One last Hoooraa, so to speak.


When and where can i meet with anyone who has done this swap? preferably somewhere on the Go train line.

thanks

JC

Once the camaro ecu has been programmed, will any smog/referee be able to tell that the ECU has been modified? The reason I ask is that here in cali the 3800 sc with a manual is a no-no. I would like to be able to say to the ref, hey this is a manual 3.8 ecu.

RUNDLC

Basically for a manual tranny swap every thing to do with the tranny is turned off so it will not throw any codes or make any adjustments due to missing components. If scanned it will show no codes but if the program is down loaded it will show every thing being turned off. Only 3800 PCM that comes programmed for a manual tranny is the F body 96 and newer ones, if you have one of these PCM's reprogrammed to operate the SC version that may be acceptable for the lousy smog police. Dan

Wow, i hope Ontario doesnt get as strict with the smog. well, atleast there is the grandfather clause with our 20 year old cars.

JC

The PCM's themselfs are not specific to any year or style, IE, a GTP file can be loaded onto a regal PCM, or a camero file can be loaded onto a GTP pcm.

What the heck is an f-body?? sorry for the dumb question, but I am not sure I know. I think the computer I have is at least 96, and Lloyde programmed it for the prior owner.


RUNDLC

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: The PCM's themselfs are not specific to any year or style, IE, a GTP file can be loaded onto a regal PCM, or a camero file can be loaded onto a GTP pcm.

This is 100% NOT correct.... You better go back and read the information about AMD chipsets, and Intel Chipsets used in the Delphi PCM structure. You will find that a specific bootloader is required per PCM, per year model, and Model of car.

I am one of few people capable of doing the CheckSums, Seed Key algros, and hack at the hex level, re-create a working BIN, and upload it to a PCM.

Loyde
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quote Originally posted by FastFieros: This is 100% NOT correct.... You better go back and read the information about AMD chipsets, and Intel Chipsets used in the Delphi PCM structure. You will find that a specific bootloader is required per PCM, per year model, and Model of car. I am one of few people capable of doing the CheckSums, Seed Key algros, and hack at the hex level, re-create a working BIN, and upload it to a PCM. Loyde http://www.fastfieros.com/projects

I guess I should of editied it to say that any file of like years could be loaded on to any pcm of like years, for the most part. As far as "hacking" goes, I didnt have to do anything to get my 98 camero file onto my 98 gtp PCM, it was a file I ran for awhile untill I did some troubleshooting and loaded my whole file on it retaining the rev limit information.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I guess I should of editied it to say that any file of like years could be loaded on to any pcm of like years, for the most part. As far as "hacking" goes, I didnt have to do anything to get my 98 camero file onto my 98 gtp PCM, it was a file I ran for awhile untill I did some troubleshooting and loaded my whole file on it retaining the rev limit information.

Scott, I would be so entertained to see you list the proceedure of taking a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro V6 3800 BIN file, and loading this to a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP PCM... Please outline those steps you took, and the exact piece of software and hardware needed to download and upload based on years and models that this hardware and software cover.

First, please start with the OSID of the BIN file. Then the service number and hardware number of the PCM. We will also need to know how you came up with the OSID memory map that works with this chipset on the GTP PCM.

Loyde

quote Originally posted by FastFieros: Scott, I would be so entertained to see you list the proceedure of taking a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro V6 3800 BIN file, and loading this to a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP PCM... Please outline those steps you took, and the exact piece of software and hardware needed to download and upload based on years and models that this hardware and software cover. First, please start with the OSID of the BIN file. Then the service number and hardware number of the PCM. We will also need to know how you came up with the OSID memory map that works with this chipset on the GTP PCM. Loyde

Step 1. Take GTP PCM and plug into harness
Step 2. Hook up tuner to OBD II port
Step 3. Load Camaro Bin into tuning software.
Step 4. Upload to PCM
Step 5. Open Beer.

Sounds like you need to get some more up to date software? This can be accomplished with out a masters in computer science, and with just about any of the (serious) commercial/retail tuners out there.

Can you get a Series II L67 to run on a PCM with a Camaro M5 BIN to use a manual transmission (transverse or otherwise), on a pcm from, for example a 98 GTP?
Yes.
How?
There are a lot (I stress A LOT)of changes you have to make, primarily the spark tables, injector flow rates, MAP scale factor, VE tables, ect.

With proper tuning suite you can do this. I would recommend weighing the pros and cons of the several on the market and pick the one best for you. You will need to talk to them about what type of license you will need for it because you are using components from different bin files etc. However if you know the settings you need to change, and what you need to change them too (which i'm sure you can find in the internet) you should only really need the license for the camaro. Its a good idea to use a BIN of the same year as your PCM, although it may not be necessary.

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I was fairly sure that powertuner had no problem running the supercharged 3800 with the 98 3800 camero file I made, for more than a few hundred miles, all using a 98 gtp pcm. i dont have the specific information on the PCM or the files I used right now, nor am I prepared to "defend" myself in this situation. I think you have made the point that I am retarded enough already tonight and I dont think that this discussion belongs here.

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: O and BTW, thanks for the negitive rating!

man that's cold. does he really have nothing better to do?

Lloyde, I am the one with Allen's P.T. I have spoke to you a few times about my issue here in Cali. When I saw that maybe the 3800 camaro ecm could be used I was really interested. I was told by a local tech that I should try and use the camaro ecm. Now can this be done (without selling my first born)?

If the smog laws will allow this then great. I was told by the same tech that the B.A.R. here in cali. that they don't care if a car is supercharged because it's before emmissions?? I suppose you could take a NA 3800 and put on a aftermarket supercharger right? still smog legal?? I guess.

So what difference would it make as long as the ecm showed 3.8, with manual trans?

This may be the way to get my 3.8 sc smog legal

ANY ADVICE?? If possibl what are fees for doing this?


Thanks RUNDLC