Since these headers are no longer produced, do you know if theres plan to produce them in the near future?By someone else? Does anyone have the plans, pattern or the jig to do them? Why nobody else didnt come with this?
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
Yes, but they dont look as equal lenght as the Focoa and I dont like this pigtailed tube on one of the headers. It didnt look very effective in term of flow. And dont look as good.
But does these headers design ,Focoa, are the property of the previous maker, or anyone can start fabricating the same design? No one have ever thinking of making them available again?
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Posts: 3702 From: New Port Richey, FL USA Registered: May 99
...But does these headers design ,Focoa, are the property of the previous maker, or anyone can start fabricating the same design? No one have ever thinking of making them available again?
Main problem is there is no big market for them. Back when FOCOA was making them they were around $550. WCs are $500. Not many Fiero owners wanting to pay that much. And using good materials plus the man hrs to do them right they won't be too cost effective selling for too much less.
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Lilchief Member
Posts: 1755 From: Vevay,Indiana Registered: Feb 2004
I thought someone in Canada made some that were similiar. I've done searches with no results. Does anybody else know who made them? Personally I liked the ones Doug Chase had.
I thought someone in Canada made some that were similiar. I've done searches with no results. Does anybody else know who made them? Personally I liked the ones Doug Chase had.
I am not sure about the "copy" of headers are the same, but I do remember The Fiero Shop / Race-Tech in Toronto, Canada had them for years. IMO,t hey looked darn close to the FOCOA headers.
They were in the 1000 $ range, though. If I remember correctly they came with the cross over pipe too.
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Posts: 15241 From: Calgary, Canada Registered: Nov 1999
We (trueleo.com) at last recieved our special flanges and are currantly working on our prototype headers. They will be simular to the FOCA but not the same and will come with a Y pipe. Keep an eye out here at Pennocks for updates.
I really need help to enter in contact with the original conceptor/builder of the Focoa headers.
My set need reparation badly. Before taking them apart, cutting here, welding there, I need information about different aspect of the headers, like the type of tubing used, the type of material, the material thinckness , dimensional data etc...I need the real fact and data.
I'm a newbie in this kind of stuff, but I'm a good welder. I want to repair them myself. If in the end I need to bring them to a specialty repair shop I risk to pay high $$$.
Please I really need help.
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Francis T Member
Posts: 6620 From: spotsylvania va. usa Registered: Oct 2003
Our headers are available and we have sold a bunch allready, go to my hi flo updates posting and you can what they look like. Or our site - trueleo.com
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Francis T Member
Posts: 6620 From: spotsylvania va. usa Registered: Oct 2003
The problem is that I paid a lot for these lately. I never run with them to date. Needed reparation when I received them. the seller didnt had remarqued the big "crack" on the most bended pipe that is located on the front headers (on your last headers picture it's the most bended pipe , look like a macaroni, at the right of the last headers on the bottom). Maybe they are not worth the trouble to repair them...I dont know. But I dont really have the money to pay for another set with the Y pipe.
But for curiosity, how much for a set, with the Y pipe? Ceramic coated and plain metal. Whats the pipe dmension? mine are 2.5 inch if I remember.
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Posts: 726 From: Torrance, Ca Registered: Mar 2000
Main problem is there is no big market for them. Back when FOCOA was making them they were around $550. WCs are $500. Not many Fiero owners wanting to pay that much. And using good materials plus the man hrs to do them right they won't be too cost effective selling for too much less.
Alex hit the nail on the head....Chris/WCF would probably make equal length headers but he does think anybody would buy them cuz of the price............so what we do is make headers that work and flow, look better than the stock manifolds and dont take up too much space.
Maybe but that doesnt help me much...since I have them on hand, that will be pure time waste , money waste to try to get rid of them right now, unless someone very interested in them purchase them from me at a good price...but since they need reparation now, and that was not the case at first when I purchased them I will loose too much I think. So I'm better trying to repair them.
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Chicken McNizzle Member
Posts: 1310 From: Valencia, CA Registered: Jan 2004
Maybe but that doesnt help me much...since I have them on hand, that will be pure time waste , money waste to try to get rid of them right now, unless someone very interested in them purchase them from me at a good price...but since they need reparation now, and that was not the case at first when I purchased them I will loose too much I think. So I'm better trying to repair them.
considering time = money, I would ditch the headers you have now considering the repair needed, and the fact that just by needing repair they are most likely too fatigued to even consider putting back on a car. Time to upgrade.
------------------ Former West Coast Fiero Employee
Ours are 2.5" pipe from Y connection down and 2.5" flange both sides with extra pipe to weld - $525 + $25 shipping in USA = $550 That includes headers Yand a chip. We dont offer ceramic coating, be cheeper for you to have that done. We ship them painted with high temp paint or unpainted.
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Originally posted by perry rhodan:
The problem is that I paid a lot for these lately. I never run with them to date. Needed reparation when I received them. the seller didnt had remarqued the big "crack" on the most bended pipe that is located on the front headers (on your last headers picture it's the most bended pipe , look like a macaroni, at the right of the last headers on the bottom). Maybe they are not worth the trouble to repair them...I dont know. But I dont really have the money to pay for another set with the Y pipe.
But for curiosity, how much for a set, with the Y pipe? Ceramic coated and plain metal. Whats the pipe dmension? mine are 2.5 inch if I remember.
@FrancisT : That sound good...if I didnt find the info needed and if I can get rid of them for a good price....
@chicken : Sure time is money...but I'm no business, so time doesnt bring me money anyway...... and the experience I can gain in repairing them, will be usefull for futur problem. And they are not broken du to fatigue, but I think much of water dropping several times on the headers when the was very hot since its positionned in the front of the motor near the firewall. They had only 30 000Km ont them...I dont think it's much.
Anyway, I understand your point of view...now if I can just put my hand on the info I need.
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Posts: 1310 From: Valencia, CA Registered: Jan 2004
