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Wierd Haze After Buffing?! by urbanairpaint
Started on: 10-26-2006 10:48 AM
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Report this Post10-26-2006 10:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for urbanairpaintSend a Private Message to urbanairpaintDirect Link to This Post
I just repainted my 85GT about a month ago. I buffed it out using Meguire's Heavy Cut and then finished it with Meguire's Cleaning and Polishing compound a couple weeks after the fresh paint. It looked brand new and I was proud of my work. After buffing, the next day it rained and then my Fiero started getting all these white haze spots all over. I have tried washing it a few times and the haze goes away when its wet, but once it is dry the haze shows up again. What can I use to get this stuff off? It looks almost like dry buffing compound. But Im not exactly sure what it is.
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Report this Post10-26-2006 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for James Bond 007Send a Private Message to James Bond 007Direct Link to This Post
Just a few questions.Who painted your car?Did you\they use a clear coat and UV protection?Is this a rattle can paint job or compresser?Sometime,problems can ocure due to temperature varietions of the body panels.Sorry to say this,but is it possible you buffed through the clear coat?Allways remember that Laundry detergent is not for cars it will eat the wax off.What kind of clear coat did you or they use:
White spots: Shellac and lacquer finishes are not resistant to water and alcohol (this is shellac and lacquer and is for wood,not cars).For further reading on that,go here (remember the sugestions they offer are for wood): http://home.howstuffworks.com/how-to-repair-wooden-furniture-surfaces.htm

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Report this Post10-26-2006 11:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for powrmajikSend a Private Message to powrmajikDirect Link to This Post
It sounds like you buffed through your clear coat. I hope not, but unfortunately thats what it sounds like.

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Report this Post10-26-2006 11:53 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Mickey_MooseSend a Private Message to Mickey_MooseDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by powrmajik:

It sounds like you buffed through your clear coat. I hope not, but unfortunately thats what it sounds like.



I would almost have to say the same thing. I think it was way to early to wax a freshly painted car - I have heard on several occasions that you should wait at least 6 months before doing so.

Roger Garrison seems to know a fair bit about painting, maybe PM him and see what he suggests.

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Report this Post10-26-2006 01:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
Yeah, I was going to say you buffed it too soon. If I remember correctly, you should wait at least 60 days (depending on the paint) before buffing or waxing it.
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Report this Post10-26-2006 01:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for civicduty13Click Here to visit civicduty13's HomePageSend a Private Message to civicduty13Direct Link to This Post
most body shops recommend 60 days of sure time before you wax the fresh paint.
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Report this Post10-26-2006 03:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for countach711Click Here to visit countach711's HomePageSend a Private Message to countach711Direct Link to This Post
aCTUALLY, most paints tell you that you must cut and buff within 2 days of completion if I remember right. Otherwise, you should wait several months. One thing you can gain by waiting is having the paint 'shrink' so that when you sand you won't have scratches telegraph through the paint as can happen when you cut and buff early, but I've never had a problem doing it within the first few days and have even waited a week. Not sure on your problem though I also recommend the forums at www.autobody101.com which are an excellent on-line source of info for paint issues.
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Report this Post10-26-2006 04:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
I sand and buff all my jobs within a few days, usally the next day. If it was painted basecoat and clearcoat, highly unlikely to be buffed thru clear. Its taken me a while to get thru a clearcoat with 180 grit sandpaper. Buffing with rubbing compound and polish will not affect new paint from a day or two previous. WAX WILL. Dont wax for between 30-60 days if you do. I personally never wax anything except chrome. From the description, it sounds like maybe it was painted in single stage acrylic enamel, and you cant buff that at all for a few months or it will haze up. Also possible if it is cleared, they used a cheaper universal grade that dont dry as quick. I generally sand, buff with 3M super duty compound, followed my 3M Perfect II Medium Cut. I finish by using green Turtle Wax Swirl Remover to polish out the buffer marks and Im done. Depending on weather if its cool or damp, it may need redone lightly after a week or so. Its a real pain to buff out urathane clear after its dried a month...it gets rock hard.If youve already waxed it this soon, wash it thoughly again with Dawn dish soap and dry.
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Report this Post10-26-2006 09:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for urbanairpaintSend a Private Message to urbanairpaintDirect Link to This Post
Your right on the money roger garrison, I used single stage acrylic enamel. I usually use bc/cc but I wanted to try something new. I put about 4 good coats on so I doubt that I buffed thru. I figured I buffed it too early, but this was my first time buffing, I usually dont have to buff after painting. Thanks for the advice everyone. Looks like Im back to square one on this paintjob; sanding. At least it was my own car and not a customer's.
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Report this Post10-27-2006 02:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rogergarrisonSend a Private Message to rogergarrisonDirect Link to This Post
Your paint job is probably going to be ok. You just have to wait a month or two and rebuff it with rubbing compound. If you put wax on it, make sure you wash it down with the Dawn to get it off. I painted an olds for a girlfiriend all over in acrylic enamel. She tried to wax it a week or two later and it dulled it all to crap. Quick fix would have been to just scuff it up and reshoot it, or wait the few months and buff it. We broke up before anything was done.
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