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PFI, TPI, etc etc.... help me understand! by BobadooFunk
Started on: 09-27-2006 12:36 AM
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Report this Post09-27-2006 12:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BobadooFunkClick Here to visit BobadooFunk's HomePageSend a Private Message to BobadooFunkDirect Link to This Post
ok there are a bunch of different fuel injection places... help me understand the differences

i know (or think i know)

carb- dunno where fuel goes in
TBI- throttle body injection.. 2.5L duke, has injecor that feeds fuel directly to air intake at throttle body
MPFI- multi port fuel injection... no idea, unless this is what the 2.8 is, then it means 1 injecter per cyl as far as i know
PFI- port fuel injection... all i know is its in the 4.9's
TPI- tuned pert injection... no idea


so PLEASE help me cause i would like to know these (as well as explain to Alex)

add any i forgot and correct me if im wrong and help define!

thanks!
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Report this Post09-27-2006 02:21 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Jermz238Send a Private Message to Jermz238Direct Link to This Post
MPFI: Multi-Port is one injector per cylinder, like the 2.8s and most other somewhat performance-oriented engines, PFI is the same thing AFAIK. good for performance, as each cylinder can have a different fuel requirement based on conditions. also know as SMPI, SEFI, SPFI; S stands for Sequential.

TBI: Throttle Body Injection, one injector (some hondas used two, known as DPI, or Dual Point Injection) spraying into either the throttle body or intake manifold. cheap and easy.

TPI: Tuned Port Injection, you see these on the high performance LT1/LS1 5.7s, as well as the later model performance V8s. the only real difference i believe between regular PFI and TPI is the long intake runners, which allow for the air to arrive at the combustion chamber at more "convenient" times, which results in a bit more power, and a flatter powerband.

GM also came out with something known as CPFI, or Central Port Fuel Injection, which was kind of a hybrid of a MPFI and TBI system, it used the single injector, but it had lines to each individual cylinder. this is not to be confused with CFI, or Crossfire Fuel Injection (aka Cease-Fire Injection), which was used on early 80's z28s (81-83?) this was a form of TBI, but using two diagonally mounted Throttle Bodies, which i guess was nice while it lasted. they had a habit of failing and then you were screwed, as i've been told not many people bothered learning how to fix them, and were relatively complex?
(sorry for the rant on CFI, i used to have an 83 Z28 )

there are other iterations from different companies, things like Direct Fuel Injection, where the fuel is injected straight into the combustion chambers; and other names for the same thing like SEFI, SMPI, CFI (Central Fuel Injection, which is basically the same as TBI)

hope that helps, got this stuff with about half hour of playing on google
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Report this Post09-30-2006 10:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for v8fiero400Click Here to visit v8fiero400's HomePageSend a Private Message to v8fiero400Direct Link to This Post
TBI....throttle body injection

CFI....cross fire injection

TPI....tuned port injection

MPFI....multi port fuel injection

PFI....port fuel injection

SFI....sequintial fuel injection

SFI and PFI are the same. Those are the best injection systems.... meaning each injector is independantly controlled (each injector sprays only during the opening of the intake valve).... PFI and SFI are more fuel efficient

MPFI and TPI are similar.... multiple injectors(1 per cylinder) but they all spray at the same time. they are a little bit less effficient at lower rpms.

CFI and TBI are like carburetors.... one or two injectors at the throttle spray fuel for the entire engine. They are the least fuel efficient fuel injection but better than a carb.
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Report this Post09-30-2006 01:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 82-T/A [At Work]Send a Private Message to 82-T/A [At Work]Direct Link to This Post
Cross-Fire Injection is awesome!!!

Heheh... well, truth be told, it was more of a dark time during the auto industry. But... I think it had more to do with emissions. The size of the intake ports of those manifolds are ONLY 2/3rds the size of the ports on the heads that they would mate up to. I BELIEVE that the reason for this had to do with emissions. It's kind of funny... but without doing ANYTHING else other than hogging out those intake ports on a STOCK CFI intake manifold, you would immediately gain ~30 horsepower on a CFI 305!!! (the LU5 in the Camaro / Firebird).


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Report this Post09-30-2006 02:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for tjm4funSend a Private Message to tjm4funDirect Link to This Post
Well they only missed carbs....
carbs use a venturi effect to draw gas into the airstream. where is really dependand on the type of carb, but usually theu have a spray type arm in the center. that is connected thru a maze of internal passages, some with check valves that meter the flow.
on 4 barrels, the secondaries have larger portsusually just on the sides, and are alsovacuum drawn air, but can be controlled by just jet sizing, or a metering rod arrangement. they are allowed by the opening of a plate to the those barrels which is either directly linked to the throttle plates thru a cam and linkage, or controlled by a vacuum pot that locks them until a certain rpm.
that is a very simple version of most carbs, not mentioning side draft types, etc.

a carb is at once very simple and very complex.
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Report this Post09-30-2006 04:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TKSend a Private Message to TKDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Cross-Fire Injection is awesome!!!




Cease-Fire Injection! Ok, it's actually pretty good for what it is.
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Report this Post09-30-2006 07:45 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarDirect Link to This Post
For all intents and purposes, PFI, MPFI, and TPI all work pretty much the same, even though the plumbing looks different.
They all have an individual injector near each intake valve.

Geek stuff.
This may be more than you want or need to know, but WTH...
You will probably hear "Speed-Density" and "MAF" as applied to fuel injection.

Speed density uses an atmospheric sensor (MAP - Manifold Absolute Pressure) to detect engine load. The ECM then calculates fuel delivery and spark timing based on those MAP readings as well as RPM and throttle opening. (The Fiero uses a Speed-Density system.)

MAF (Mass Air Flow) uses a sensor to directly read how much air is being pulled into the engine. The ECM uses those readings as well as RPM and throttle opening (sometimes with a MAP as a backup) to calculate fuel delivery and spark timing.
MAF is more forgiving to modifications - to a point. It is also more complicated.

You may also hear "batch fire", 'bank fire" and "sequential", as applied to fuel injection.
The Fiero system is batch fired or bank fired. The rear set of injectors all squirt at the same time, then the front set of injectors all squirt at the same time.
More advanced PFI systems use "sequential" PFI. That is, each injector is fired in order, timed to coincide with the opening of the intake valve for its particular cylinder. At higher RPM, many (most? all?) of them will switch over to batch fire, anyway.

Sorry. Probably TMI (Too much info.)

 
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Originally posted by TK:
Cease-Fire Injection!


We preferred "Back-Fire Injection".

Any time CFI is mentioned, I always post this link. http://www.x-ram.com/

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