wondering if anyone has done one. I thought i seen a video of one, but cant seem to find it now. I just got an 7 bolt 4G63T engine for free and thought it would be fun. Any ideas waht would be involved? i figure if i get an ECM and wiring harness it'll pretty much run itself right?

I dont know for sure what im gonna do, just throwin this out there. Just seeing what you'all thikn about it. Also for the record, this project wouldnt start for quite a while. prolly next fall or something. May be sooner if i decided for sure.

There was a thread about a 4g63 swap. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/070392.html

Hope that helps or puts you in the right direction.

Tim

well, wiring is always the easy part....the only real problem is axles, I believe there is a company that makes them to order though...cv unlimited or something like that...

This is something ive been thinking about the last couple days, odd this thread pops up, lol. Im thinking my first project when i get my house and garage in a couple years is 4G63T swap and try to make the "rear" diff work up front for a AWD 4G63T fiero

dude get that turbo dohc done and you'll forget about the 4g63t ..jk sounds like a cool swap..i'd like to put on in my baby ferrari ..imagine the fun with that

AWD up front wont work....well not unless you want 5 reverse gears and one forward gear(heh, had already thought about that at one point) however....why use a 4g63? I myself have a fully built SRT4 engine sitting around and no car to put it in...except for my engineless fiero...wow, what a coincidence...

quote Originally posted by wicked93gs: AWD up front wont work....well not unless you want 5 reverse gears and one forward gear(heh, had already thought about that at one point) however....why use a 4g63? I myself have a fully built SRT4 engine sitting around and no car to put it in...except for my engineless fiero...wow, what a coincidence...

Because the aftermarket for the 4G63T is HUGE!! and there are a TON of people around here that i know who have daily drivin 11 second cars and a couple high 10's as well. Plus i have built one before, as i had a '90 TSI AWD. Not to mention they are fairly cheap as i can get parts from like 90-94 not some 00+ or whatever year the SRT-4 started being made. Lastly i have never seen an SRT-4 win a race. i mena on the computer i have, but never in person. I have seen prolly 3 or 4 of them and thay ALL get spanked by many cars. I mena hell, i bairly lost ground with one in my Vortec '95 blazer. I just plain dont like those cars/engines!

oh yeah. and I GOT THE ENGINE FOR FREE!!! another good reason why i would go with that rather than try to buy a $1000 + engine with much less potential!


that is all,
Keith

never seen one win a race? stock an SRT can run low 14s...some drivers have managed high 13s...a far cry from a stock DSM...low 15s, high 14s...stage 3 SRTs run pretty consistent high 11s...and retain stock driveabilty...its quite an engine..I think the rest of the car sucks...but the engine is top notch...500HP on a stock block...as good as any 4g63...and a much more reliable engine, non interference, balance shafts run by chain rather than belt, etc...oh..and more torque at any given HP level than the 4g63...and you mentioned your block was a 7 bolt...we are all afraid of 7 bolts for a reason(though crankwalk isnt nearly as common as people seem to think it is still there) I'm not trying to put down the 4g63...I love that engine...I'm just pointing out that the KZE(SRT engine) isnt the piece of crap you are trying to imply(though the SRT tranny tends to suck compared to a dsm tranny) however, I hear you, the reason you are using one is because you have it...same for me and the SRT engine, but if you are going the custom route there are a couple other nice engines to consider as well...the SR20DET, or my personal favorite of all stock 4 cylinder engines...the FE3...but then, I have the SRT engine so I dont see any reason to look further, I am interested in your swap if you are going to do it though..and show a lot of pictures! long live the turbo 4 bangers!

I wasnt trying ti imply that SRT's suck by any means. pesonaly i hate the way they look, but thats as far as my knowledg goes on them.
I had a '95 neon that i put a ton of work and money into and actually planned to do na SRT-4 swap (well rather a 2.4L swap with SRT internals and turbo setup etc.) but i never got that far and ended up selling it to fund my fiero. All i can base my comments on are the things i see around here. May be all the drivers around here suck because honestly i have never seen a SRT-4 that even came close to impressing me. I have seen a bunch on the internet, but what havent you seen on the net you know?

anyways. you should do the SRT swap, ill do the 4G63T swap and we with both be PIMP$ ; ) and of course we would have to race 'em sometime

Back on topic slightly.....

Honestly this swap isnt much different from anything else, butttttttt, 2 main concerns.

Axles could pose a huge pain in the ass, but you might get lucky there and be able to peice together stock parts. Othewise, $400+ for custom made axles.

Gauges could create a problem also, as I have no clue how they work on the dsms.

I wouldnt mess with it much unless you had the whole motor trans and turbo setup already, because your going to put alot of money into intercooler piping, and intercooler, and all the aftermarket you were talking about adding.

Honestly I would just put the motor back in a DSM, you could get a shell for much less than it would cost you to setup the fiero good enough for it, and even then the fiero is about 700lbs heavier than the average DSM. The mid engine only gets you so far, but the horsepower offered by the dsm motor is huge, so you could possibly end up with a sub $5000 real road machine.

one real perk to this swap would be the semi bulletproof DSM trans, which makes the getrag look like its made out of legos.

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It's Done!!
Time to iron out the kinks.....

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/072877.html

I personally saw a SRT4 pull a 10 second 1/4 mile time with a bunch of AGP stuff...but anyway, a DSM is 700lbs lighter than a Fiero? since when?...1st gens weigh in around 2700-2800lbs and 2nd gens are up around the 3000lb mark, oh an amusing little bit of info for you slownsteady...my built SRT engine was last in my 98 neon before I pulled it to do some upgrades(currently have a stratus motor in my 97 neon as well with SRT turbo stuff)....at the time I was just boosting 10psi...but 10psi in a 2200lb car is fun...anyway back on topic...gauges you can always get from autometer or some other manufacturer and make them work, not a big deal...axles are always the biggest problem...but a lot of axles have universal tripot design...and I know my neon axles for instance are just 1/2" short on each side...which means I may be able to use fiero outer joints and the neon axles...if I am lucky, heh, you're up for the race though when we get the swaps completed...maybe someday I can find another Fiero to do a turbo FE3 swap in as well

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quote Originally posted by wicked93gs: I personally saw a SRT4 pull a 10 second 1/4 mile time with a bunch of AGP stuff...but anyway, a DSM is 700lbs lighter than a Fiero? since when?...1st gens weigh in around 2700-2800lbs and 2nd gens are up around the 3000lb mark, oh an amusing little bit of info for you slownsteady...my built SRT engine was last in my 98 neon before I pulled it to do some upgrades(currently have a stratus motor in my 97 neon as well with SRT turbo stuff)....at the time I was just boosting 10psi...but 10psi in a 2200lb car is fun...anyway back on topic...gauges you can always get from autometer or some other manufacturer and make them work, not a big deal...axles are always the biggest problem...but a lot of axles have universal tripot design...and I know my neon axles for instance are just 1/2" short on each side...which means I may be able to use fiero outer joints and the neon axles...if I am lucky, heh, you're up for the race though when we get the swaps completed...maybe someday I can find another Fiero to do a turbo FE3 swap in as well

I only asumed that those small shells of a car were around the 2200-2300lb mark, I apologise for that guess.

quote ...but a lot of axles have universal tripot design...and I know my neon axles for instance are just 1/2" short on each side...which means I may be able to use fiero outer joints and the neon axles

I was thinking that, I would imagine you could get lucky there on any swap.

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I used to be a DSM guy...before being a neon guy...and now a Fiero guy, I tend to have a soft spot for my old engines though...or for any DOHC 4 cylinder for that matter...the guy who did the 4g63 swap though welded his axles, which may or may not hold...I guess its worth a shot anyway...wont work for me though...the Fiero axles are actually beefier than the non turbo neon axles(but the tranny is weaker, go figure) Maybe I should look into Mexican Stratus turbo axles instead...anyway, as for other axles that may fit a DSM tranny, there is always the Dodge Colt/Mitsu mirage axles(some of which came turbo) and of course the Galant VR4...either of which should be slightly longer than the eclipse versions...maybe anyway