quote Originally posted by Excell: Whichever side you found this knock sensor on, there is one in the exact same place on the other side of the block. If you don't see it, look for the hole it screws into. Then you just have to get another sensor. Goodluck! P.S. I agree, Loyde is the man! Loyde, we'll be in touch soon.

Hey Chris,,,

Got that GEN 5 IC installed yet? I am looking for one in about 2 weeks. Man look at that sig with the 1998 Grand Prix MP112 GTP - 11.48@117 ... That would be sweet in that Fiero

Earl, those knock sensors are in the 3800NA Series II engines also. So you should be able to get some for cheap at the JYard.

Loyde

gawd what a pain in the a$$

Ok well not much progress on the 38, but I did actually pull the 3.4 outa there….

What a pita…. Took me 6 hours by myself to do it…. I'm going to cry, but at least I know its going to a good home

Ummmmmm while the motor was out I am going to store it so I can save a little money….. This thread is going to die for a few months, and then I shall resurrect it

o here’s the list of **** I broke while taking it out

Rear hydraulic lines.... ehh they were rusted ne who
Pass Side caliper (put the tool on the wrong wholes and screwed it up)
Rear Flexible brake lines.... well ummm, they were in the way of the motor coming down
Two Trans mounts that ripped due to the stress of holding the Trans with out the engine
1 stud on the driver strut broke off
Stripped one caliper bolt
Ummm that’s its I think its pretty good

I need some new stuff anyway

Here’s the cost

Time at the hobby shop 70 dollars
72 cuts and scrapes priceless
My forearm got smashed keeping the engine from falling on the ground…. That motor is heavy one visit to the ER
Buying a dude lunch for getting the engine off my arm 5 dollars

That’s it as if that isn’t enough

Eh, motivation is running a little low, I think I might have to go to Austin to ride in kevins again :P

Hmmmm I found a new way to feed this habbit

Back on topic…. My baby is without a heart now… but on the up side I do now have a wireharness from a Fiero that I can completely destroy ***rubs hands*** whish me luck I only have one chance at this!

[This message has been edited by pred1tor83 (edited 08-11-2005).]

What's the update on the swap. Just curious, been a couple weeks.
Chris

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'87 2.8v6 5spd

any updates yet?

I'm starting the same swap, wiring and all, so i have a vested interest in this thread...

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3 car lengths in front of you and still pulling...

ditto!

Same goes for me

quote Originally posted by banditbalz:any updates yet?

Man, that silver GT in your sig looks good with those rims. I know its' off topic, I just didn't want to type BUMP by itself.

sorry iv taken another job so my free time has been at a premium

Well I finally got the motor off the ground, and on a stand, took the supercharger off, to inspect it for wear, the oil for the supercharger smells a little burnt, but the wear looks typical…

Within the next three days I will be taking the oil pan off and inspecting a few select main bearings…. Harness is done 100% even wire loomed… eh now I just need funds

keeping it alive

Well im on my way out the door, im going to a scrap yard to see if I cant find the following

Alt
Starter
Flywheel from a Camaro

I also need to get the plug for the alternator so I can make a charging system from scratch as the harness I had was all FUBAR.

Gawd this motor is a heavy piece!

alt and starter can come a fiero as well......

see ya at the round-up !

quote Originally posted by pred1tor83: the oil for the supercharger smells a little burnt, but the wear looks typical…

smells a little burnt, then it must be almost new. that is some horrific smellin stuff when used.

quote Originally posted by pred1tor83: Well im on my way out the door, im going to a scrap yard to see if I cant find the following Alt Starter Flywheel from a Camaro I also need to get the plug for the alternator so I can make a charging system from scratch as the harness I had was all FUBAR. Gawd this motor is a heavy piece!

Are you going with the stock Alt, or Fiero alt? I have a stock SC3800 Alt that is practically brand new that I need to get rid of. let me know if you are interested.

I changed it out for a low mount setup using the Fiero Alt.

well im going with the low mount so i guess i need to go with a fiero alt.

I moved my car to an indoor storage unit.... pulled it with an atv first time iv driven it in 6 months

My stable mate is a 70 somthin nova :>

well im off to bed more later

ok well i got pics now, just need to get them hosted!

Hint HINT

At the time the pics were taken i had the motor down to a short block!

heres the prices of the new items i am getting sometime this pay check!

Main bearings 30 (ZZP)
Rod bearings 10 (ZZP)
Gasket set 159 (ZZP)
Head Gaskets 68 (ZZP)
Polishing Crank 110 (Millers Machine Shop)
Main Stud Kit 49 (ARP)
Head Stud Kit 79 (ARP)
Reusable Rocker arm bolts 20 (INTENSE)
Oil Pressure Upgrade 30 (INTENSE)
Freshen up heads 110 (Millers Machine Shop)

Total 665 dollars + SH

Not so poor ne more i guess but it will be a new engine from the heads down!

Items needed for the swap after above
pully kit 129 (ZZP)
low mount alt and dog bone 325 (loyd)
ECM 125 (loyd)
Used Alt ???
Used Starter ???
Used Flywheel ???
Machineing Fly wheel ???
Engine mounts ???
2 fart cans ???
Braided SS hoses ???

quote Originally posted by pred1tor83: HELP ME ID THE ENGINE BY THE OIL FILTER HOUSING

My motor came with that same adaptor and it was a 97 out of a Buick Park Ave Ultra. Swapped it with one from the GTP motors, might wanna do the same thing. There is one for sale on Clup GP now for $15.00 plus shipping, good deal, was going to buy ti but dont need it.

I see red X

well ill repost the pics later just got home, its 0300 hours, and im beat, took off the timing cover removed harmonic balancer.... and helped my friend work on his 700 HP turbo mustang :P

Hah.. only 700? Don't come looking for cars around here..

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quote Originally posted by Jncomutt: Hah.. only 700? Don't come looking for cars around here..

BTW did i mention it turns that out at the wheels, and is completely streetable and legal with AC??
ne ways, back to getting this thread back on track

Took all the mains off tonight, the bearings have a little scoring, only one is BARELY down to the copper! so its turnable....

The thrust bearing looks brand new as far as the sections that would wear when the crank walks, man this is an impresssive engine.... has anyone ever torn one apart???? wow just soo much enginering!!!!

well off to bed, does anyone know where i can host these pictures at so the rest of you guys can see them????

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well did a little more work on it, crank is finally out

That bad boy is a hefty one :P

well not much more to say, ima get the following done

Polish crank
Install new rod bearings
Intsall new main bearings
Intsall new ARP main studs
Install new ARP head studs

ill get some more pics later when the block is assembled to at least a reciprocating hunk of metal

Still a little buzzed that the cylender bores are sooooo clean, the motor wasnt as bad as i was under the impression

quote Originally posted by pred1tor83: oil filter housing HELP ME ID

No IDea but it looks like the one that doesnt work (interfering with enginemount).....this is WCF's

It is similar to the Park Avenue adapter that I got before knowing the stock GTP adapter works too....

I wonder if you also have some scoring on the edges of the SC lobes and the inner housing...is that normal wear from carbon buildup? Ow btw, dont forget to check the coupler...mine has play on both the gears side and the snout side. Cant see it but feel it.

good luck!

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well im not even going to dive into the SC at all, to much that i dont wanna know :P

Heres where i stand tommarow i will get the crank and heads back! only 135 dollars lighter, not bad for a rebuilt head set and a polished crank

The guy who is doin the machine work will be ordering the main and rod bearings for me, to make sure everything is copasetic!

Also i will be calling ARP to get the head studs, main studs, for another wapping 120

And i will also be ordering the complete gasket set from ZZ for another 150 bucks

More pics to come later

FASTER ! faster !!!!!!! FASTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Things are starting to speed up...

Here is what the jolly brown guy brought me over the week

ARP Head Stud Kit - JEGS
ARP Main Stud Kit - JEGS
Complete gasket Set - ZZP
EGR block off (intake) - ZZP
EGR block off (exhaust) - ZZP
Re-usable rocker arm bolts - Crane Cams
Oil PSI kit (bump up an additonal 25 PSI) - ZZP
Crank Bolt - ZZP
Cam Bolt - ZZP

What should be coming next monday

Crank polished - Still not done
Heads - Done but i am waiting on crank
Main bearings - waiting on crank
Rod bearings - waiting on crank too

Soooo all said and done, the motor will be put back together within the next two weeks.

Dont worry i willl have plenty of pics then.... as for right now im headed out to pressure wash the valve covers, timing cover, and a few odd and ends that need cleaning!

Bump

Well i have made a lot of progress in my buildup.... here is what iv been up to

the engine is now a long block, has everything on it except the timing cover because i need to get a GTP oil filter housing... other than that everything is in the motor, crank, rods, pisions, heads, lower intake, supercharger.

Right now progress has come to a dead stop because the paint i am using for the parts isnt drying as quick as i thought it would (almost 90 percent humidity).

Here is the parts list so far of extra things that i have bought

Paint (high temp thick stuff) 4 cans - 25.00
Timing chain set - 150.00
8 cans of brake clean - 25.00
Water pump - 40.00
EGR block off plates - 10.00
ZZP oil pressure upgrade - 25.00

Thats it for now, im out to work, i will have pics soon

If you need any help I might be able to give you a hand. I live on the west side around 90 and 1604.
I've never done a swap yet, but plan to do the 3.8SC when I get back from my Korea tour.

got the engine all back together yet? pics?

hurry up! you have till Oct. 8th to get it up and running for the "Ruckus" in Austin!

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thats all im going to say today, i broke a timing cover bolt off while its still in the block great!

eh here i am again.

I spent this weekend taking a trip to Houston heres what I got

Alternator - 50 dollars
Starter - 40 dollars
AC compressor - 40 dollars
Correct filter adapter- Free (for the drive)
02 sensor - Free (for the drive)

Still cant work on the motor till I get that bolt off

Earl out :P

K back on track now, i broke two easy outs off trying to get that damn bolt out, but its staying in there...

pics soon