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V8 Swap guys, please help! by fieroturbo
Started on: 04-29-2006 06:29 PM
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Report this Post04-29-2006 06:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroturboSend a Private Message to fieroturboDirect Link to This Post
Hey all!

I know this isn't a V8 project, but I had a question for those who have used a Manual Fiero tranny on a V8 conversion...

What was done with the clutch engagement to compensate for the gap made by the engine/tranny adapter? Can a spacer be put in between the flywheel and crank without worrying about the starter motor not getting to the teeth? Should I just put a ring in between the fork and the TO bearing?

HELP.... and thanks!

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Report this Post04-29-2006 07:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for motoracer838Send a Private Message to motoracer838Direct Link to This Post
Typicaly the flywheel is a custom part that has the ring gear in the right place for starter engagement, and the face sets the clutch at the proper depth in the bell housing for proper clutch action. Joe
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Report this Post04-29-2006 08:40 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Get back to work squid.

Jake_Dragon <-- HT3 Retired

What kit do you have? V8 Archie uses a larger fly wheel and spaces it outside the tranny, the starter mounts to the adapter he sells.

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Report this Post04-29-2006 09:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for buddycraiggSend a Private Message to buddycraiggDirect Link to This Post
again, the flywheel is made to take up that space.
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Report this Post04-29-2006 11:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroturboSend a Private Message to fieroturboDirect Link to This Post
An HT ?!? Uh-oh, that's worse than a DC! (j/k Jake )

The adapter archie sells, is that just a spacer that mounts on the starter?

Here's my thought: If I can just space the flywheel out 5/8" (the adapter thickness), and get a longer sprocket on the starter motor, that could work I guess.

Honestly, I'd just like to avoid using the Ecotec tranny. I think I'd be opening a can of worms if I did.

Are there photos of the V8 adapter parts?

THANKS!!!

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Report this Post04-30-2006 06:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by fieroturbo:

An HT ?!? Uh-oh, that's worse than a DC! (j/k Jake )


They didn’t have any DCs back when I joined up. HTs did both jobs. The DC class started backup right when I got out. I was stationed in Charleston SC at a SIMA. Repaired a lot of water tight doors, kept me from chasing turds

The best I can do for you right now is to advise you to use the search and look for V8 Adapter in the General Chat archives.
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Report this Post04-30-2006 09:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruDirect Link to This Post
Some kits for the traditional SBC do not place the flywheel face as deep into the tranny as the 2.8 or most other FWD setups. Having the flywheel face deeper than the 2.8 (or stock depth for the tranny) will potentially cause clutch/pressure plate clearance issues.

If you are going with a 5/8" plate, then the standard 153 tooth flywheel will not clear the tranny case without clearancing. I assume you are using a smaller diameter flwwheel. The flywheel used will be important - the face must not stick into the tranny any further than the stock depth for the tranny, and the starter designed for the particular pitch on the ring gear must be able to engage the teeth fully.

I would place the ring gear where it needs to be to engage with a stock starter. The starter is a wear item and you don't want to have to do custom machining every time it needs replaced - especially if it goes out 1000 miles from home.

There are several possibilities, but it all starts with the parts that are selected to be used.

If you wind up with additional space between the flywheel and the throwout bearing there are a couple things that can take up this room:

On trannys using a slave/pushrod setup you can use a longer pushrod between the slave and the throw out bearing arm.
On the 92-94 hydraulic throwout bearing getrag tranny you can make a spacer to go between the throwout bearing and the case to take up this gap. This may hold true for other tranny's using the hydraulic throwout bearing as well.

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Report this Post04-30-2006 11:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroturboSend a Private Message to fieroturboDirect Link to This Post
That's what I was thinking of doing... just machining a steel ring between the fork and the bearing, incase things aren't working right with disengagement.

I'll look at it again tomorrow. I have guinea pig parts in storage (a 4.10 ratio 4-speed, an Ecotec clutch/p-plate/flywheel assy, and the adapter plate).

I'm lucky in the fact that the flywheel mount on the crank is flush with the transmission mount to the motor, so basically, I can bolt the clutch, p-plate, and flywheel together, slip it on the tranny shaft, and see if the flywheel backside is flush with the adapter plate... but I need a throwout bearing. Grrrr. Anyone know where I can get one? I'm sure I could use a new one anyway.

With all of that said, now my biggest concern is whether or not the clutch will have enough shaft to move on.

Dang, this isn't looking good.

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