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The new 6t70(e) by ryan.hess
Started on: 12-12-2005 06:08 PM
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Report this Post12-12-2005 06:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ryan.hessSend a Private Message to ryan.hessDirect Link to This Post
While the manual crowd is getting the 6 speed from the G6, us auto guys are getting a new 6 speed as well.

Here's a general article with important stuff bolded.

New Hydra-Matic 6T70 Six-Speed Automatic Delivers Performance and Fuel Economy
Innovative, efficient transmission to debut on 2007 Saturn Aura

First GM Powertrain front-wheel drive 6-speed automatic transmission
Advanced clutch-to-clutch operation and wide 6.04:1 overall ratio spread
Co-developed by GM and Ford Motor Co.
Applicable to FWD and AWD powertrain layouts
Torque capacity to 280 lb.-ft.
Shift speeds up to 7000 rpm

32-bit intelligent controller included in sophisticated internal transmission electro-hydraulic control module (TEHCM)

Built at GM Powertrain’s assembly plant in Warren, Mich.
MILFORD, Mich. – General Motors new Hydra-Matic 6T70 six-speed automatic transmission, an advanced transmission with clutch-to-clutch shift operation for front- and all-wheel drive vehicles, will debut in the all-new 2007 Saturn Aura midsize sedan. Co-developed with Ford Motor Co., the new six-speed joins the already announced Hydra-Matic six-speed rear-wheel drive family of automatics and Allison 1000 six-speed automatic as part of GM’s mission to produce 3 million six-speed automatics annually by 2010.

The 6T70’s clutch-to-clutch operation allows for reduced complexity and compact packaging. A wide, 6.04:1 overall ratio spread helps the transmission deliver both performance and fuel economy, enabling up to 8 percent improved performance (GM listened! That crappy 4t80e loss of 25% is gone! 17%!! WOOOO!)[b] and up to 4 percent improved fuel economy when compared with current front-wheel drive four-speed automatics.

“The 6T70 offers the best of both worlds – the excitement of a performance transmission and the economy expected of an overdrive,” said Robert Vargo, assistant chief engineer, new front-wheel drive transmissions. “The joint development effort allowed both companies to maximize time and engineering talent to answer a common need for a fuel-efficient transmission that meets the performance needs of high-output, transverse-mount powertrains.”

Co-development of the transmission allowed it to reach production in less time and enabled each company to reduce development costs by as much as 50 percent. A common design and many common components are shared between GM and Ford six-speed variants, but each company developed its own controls and calibrations to tailor the shift feel of the transmission to fit their brand characteristics.

Rated for engines up to 315 horsepower and 280 lb.-ft. of torque, the 6T70 helps maximize powertrain performance and economy through its wide 6.04:1 ratio – the spread in gear ratios between first gear and sixth gear. This configuration allows for a “steep” 4.48:1 first gear, which helps deliver exceptional launch feel, and a 0.74:1 overdrive sixth gear – the “tall” overdrive gear lowers rpm at high speeds, reducing noise, vibration and harshness. Fifth gear is 1:1 or direct drive. (eh, can't win them all.)

“The additional gear states are almost like having two transmissions in one,” said Vargo. “The low first gear provides tremendous off-the-line acceleration, but the transmission is able to use the middle gears to evenly distribute the torque and offers an overdrive sixth gear that helps delivers great fuel economy.”

Shorter steps between the gears, compared with a four-speed automatic, enhance performance and feel, as the transmission quickly finds the best gear for the vehicle speed and road conditions – there’s less “hunting” (shift busyness) on grades, for example. Also, the 6T70 offers the capability of driver shift control (DSC), which allows the driver to use tap-up, tap-down shifting to select the desired gear for specific road conditions, such as driving up a steep hill.

The Hydra-Matic 6T70’s highlights also include:


Compact dimensions of 357 mm in length and 197 mm in width for packaging convenience in a variety of front- and all-wheel drive vehicles with transverse-mounted powertrains – one the most compact transmissions in its competitive set

Clutch-to-clutch shift operation for all shifts except 1-2 reduces mechanical complexity and mass while enhancing shift feel

Integrated transmission electro-hydraulic control module (TEHCM) with driver shift control and performance algorithm shifting for shift feel and timing tailored to the driver

Internal control module reduces powertrain complexity

Auto grade braking and shift mode capability

Heat-treated gears are honed for a more precise fit, reducing noise, vibration and harshness

Narrow torque converter enhances packaging and maintains efficiency

Simple, less complex design has reduced number of seals

Adjustable capacity vane-type pump enhances fuel economy compared with non-adjustable gear-type pump
Although used in some low-volume high-performance sports cars and luxury sedans, six-speed transmissions are rare in most high-volume midsize cars and SUVs. GM and Ford Motor Co. recognized a need for a transmission that could accommodate increased powertrain performance while delivering excellent fuel economy. The compact size and reduced complexity afforded by the clutch-to-clutch design allowed engineers to answer the call for performance and economy with six forward speeds.

With its wide ratio and strong capacity, the 6T70 has the capability to transfer more torque to the drive wheels, particularly in all-wheel drive applications. It also helps vehicles such as SUVs to feel livelier at lower speeds, particularly at launch or when stepping away from a stoplight.

The 6T70’s advanced clutch-to-clutch operation is designed for smooth shift feel and packaging efficiency. All shifts except 1-2 (the transmission “free wheels” in first) feature clutch-to-clutch operation. This is achieved through three planetary gears, with three stationary clutches and two rotating clutches. It’s a simple, less complex design that enables the packaging of six gears in the space of a four-speed automatic.

A sophisticated transmission electro-hydraulic control module (TEHCM) is mounted inside the 6T70, reducing vehicle complexity. Similar to the control system used in the Hydra-Matic 6-speed rear-wheel drive transmissions, the TEHCM offers improved quality through its hard-wired connections and pre-calibration.

The unit is located entirely within the transmission and operates while bathed in transmission fluid. Locating the controller internally facilitates the modular design and assembly strategy while also shielding the unit from the outside environment.

Meanwhile, GM’s proprietary model-based controls strategy reaches a greater level of sophistication in the new six-speed FWD transmission family, said Vargo. The 32-bit system incorporates three levels of “learning” that actually allow the components to adapt to one another. (This is interesting. Note the lack of an "E" designation on the transmission. It would *appear* that this transmission, while electronic, is completely self contained like the previous models like 4t60 etc)

Although it is not uncommon to have a transmission-control module that adapts to the specific transmission with which it is mated, and to also have programming that optimizes transmission performance characteristics according to a variety of vehicle inputs, the new Hydra-Matic six-speed automatic adds another level of adaptability. Certain components within the major subsystems that make up the transmission also “learn” from one another – via the controller software – in a unique form of self-adaptation that maximizes the interface of all the “networked” components. This procedure takes place as the transmission “tests” itself and the interaction of its internal components before it is shipped from the assembly plant.

The TEHCM enables a host of performance-oriented and driver-controllable shift features, including performance algorithm shifting (PAS), driver shift control (DSC) “tap shift” and auto-grade braking.

The Hydra-Matic 6T70 is manufactured at GM’s Warren Transmission plant. It debuts in summer 2006, when production begins on the 2007 Saturn Aura.

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OK, I was going to put a 4t60e in my N* 355. How much does it weigh compared to the 4t60 or 4t80e? Maybe I can wait.
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Report this Post12-12-2005 07:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Steven SnyderClick Here to visit Steven Snyder's HomePageSend a Private Message to Steven SnyderDirect Link to This Post
Not bad for a slushbox!

Those dimensions sure sound small. I'd bet its lighter than the 4T60 and 4T80E.. those things are monstrous!

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Report this Post12-12-2005 07:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ryan.hessSend a Private Message to ryan.hessDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by dratts:
OK, I was going to put a 4t60e in my N* 355. How much does it weigh compared to the 4t60 or 4t80e? Maybe I can wait.

 
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re sound small. I'd bet its lighter than the 4T60 and 4T80E.. those things are monstrous!

That's what I'm thinking. My biggest gripes with the 80e is the weight and the efficiency. (It's sooooo lossy! I lose 75hp to it!). I really think it would be around the 4t60/65e weight. Not bad for gaining 2 gears and more torque capacity!

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Report this Post12-13-2005 03:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for FierobsessedSend a Private Message to FierobsessedDirect Link to This Post

It's not packaged like any FWD auto currently offered, in fact its more like a manual then anything, just a bit wider
Hey, we already know it bolts up too, just look at it!

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Report this Post12-13-2005 07:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph UpsonSend a Private Message to Joseph UpsonDirect Link to This Post
The problem is with practical availability and cost, I priced the new FWD 5.3L a week ago used; $3000, In my opinion the parts salvagers are developing a selective form of Alzheimers disease that makes them forget they are selling junk and I don't want to encourage them. I plan on keeping my car until it falls apart underneath me or I am no longer able to drive it, still my sense of reason limits how much I am willing to spend on a 20 year old car experimentally that can use some more practical things than a new age engine, like paint and all new sensors for example to get the best dependability and performance out of the motor that's in it. I will look forward to doing the six speed manual though. My cheapo wagner "never work right" clutch master cylinder was replaced in warranty with a brand new OE unit and I wasn't billed for the more than $200 price difference. The clutch action is so firm and responsive now I no longer mind driving the car in bumper to bumper traffic. I might change the clutch fluid yearly and have birthday parties for it now.
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Report this Post12-13-2005 10:52 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ryan.hessSend a Private Message to ryan.hessDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Fierobsessed:

It's not packaged like any FWD auto currently offered, in fact its more like a manual then anything, just a bit wider
Hey, we already know it bolts up too, just look at it!

Yeah, a northstar with some grinding.

But wait! What's that red thing? Is that a starter? Might not have to do any grinding at all...

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Report this Post12-14-2005 07:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ryan.hessSend a Private Message to ryan.hessDirect Link to This Post
more info: http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=2&docid=17537

it is 273lbs wet, so I believe it's about 30lbs lighter than the 4t80e with 2 more gears and 8% more efficiency.

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Report this Post12-16-2005 02:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for pavo_roddySend a Private Message to pavo_roddyDirect Link to This Post
HI all,

Sorry guys but I didn't feel like reading this lengthly of a post, but I was curious to know if anyone who has read it, does GM have any plans for a paddle feature??

edit: Can anyone take a guess as to how long one would have to wait for aftermarket help to boost the power handling margins???

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Hmm, looks like the starter on top of the trans? Is it? Thats kinda weird.

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Originally posted by Jncomutt:

Hmm, looks like the starter on top of the trans? Is it? Thats kinda weird.

If it is, that could mean difficulties down the road with future engine swaps with a Fiero trans.

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