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Forged or Billet? by IEatRice
Started on: 06-02-2005 11:19 AM
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Report this Post06-02-2005 11:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for IEatRiceSend a Private Message to IEatRiceDirect Link to This Post
Which is better?

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Report this Post06-02-2005 11:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for avengador1Send a Private Message to avengador1Direct Link to This Post
Forged is stronger than billet. Billet is just a piece that was machined out of a solid block of metal while forged was pressed into that shape under tremendous pressure. The billet piece could be heat treated to add harness but it would only be a surface harness while the forged piece is hard all the way through. What is your application? This would determine which would work better.

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Report this Post06-02-2005 12:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for IEatRiceSend a Private Message to IEatRiceDirect Link to This Post
Looking a pistons, rods, and a crank for a turbo Ecotec swap.

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I could be wrong, but I believe that the billet pieces are cut from a piece of forged material. The material is forged into a large shape, then cut out. For a crank, forged or billet will be about the same. For rods, the best option is a fully machined (or shot peened) forged rod. http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/82378/

Read that article. It is really informative, and is explained very clearly. For my engine I went with Eagle H beam rods, which are forged and shot peened.

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Shot peening is used to relieve stress in the metal. It also helps surface harden the material. A billet is simply a solid piece of material that is shaped into it's finished form by machining. Most finished products are either cast or molded into shape. A billet is a raw block of material.
Here is a link with more explanations: http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/billet-c.htm
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Forged is always better if the forging is available. That's the problem: availability. Due to tooling and therefore cost, forgings are typically only for large production runs. Billet material is used for low production numbers.

Here's the difference. Steel starts out as an ingot (a cast block). While hot it is rolled to the desired thickness, making a billet. The billet is much more resistant to cracking across it's length because the rolling has imparted a directional grain to the metal. Picture a 6" x 6" x 36" piece of wood, it's kind of like that. If you machined something shaped like a crankshaft from this piece of wood, bridged it between two chairs and stood in the middle, what would happen? It will most likely break through a section of exposed endgrain.

A forging starts with a billet. The tooling involved is a heavy press that will form the billet to the desired shape before machining. Picture the hot metal as a bundle of cooked spighetti pressed in a waffle iron and allowed to harden (Kids, please don't try this at home). Now when the part is machined the grain is following the shape of the part and is much less prone to failure.

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