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* Pics * of rear ctrl arm poly install by jeffndebrus
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Report this Post05-14-2005 11:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
Replacing the rear control arm bushings is really easy and tightens up the handling nicely.
First step is safely jack and place your fiero on jackstands.
Then remove the wheels.

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Report this Post05-14-2005 11:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
Look under here for the bolt-15mm which holds the lower ball joint to the spindle. remove the bolt--then squeeze the tip of a screwdriver blade into the crack of the pinch mechanism that holds the ball joint shaft---using a pry bar you can easily seperate the spindle from this ball joint shaft. The suspension is unloaded at this time so you do not have to worry about spring pressure.
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Spray the control arm bolts with a penetrating lubricant and then using an 18mm wrench and socket you can remove the lower control arm bolts.
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Now give it a good yank---
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Now it is time to remove the old bushings

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Next-move the control arms away from things which are flammable such as your Fiero, your wife, the dog, the gas can etc-
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you know u can post like upto 6 pics per msg?
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Now--following all the safety rules that you can think of-----
light the bushings on Fire with a propane torch and let them burn themselves out of the control arms.
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Originally posted by Back On Holiday:

you know u can post like upto 6 pics per msg?

Not with my old computer and dial up service--trust me

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Now it didn't take a whole lot of cleaning---some degreaser and a red scotch pad and a few minutes with the dremel. Paulcal came over just in time for the goey rubber
Buy some new poly
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Here is a technique which Paulcal showed me to install poly bushings without a hammer.
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What we're using is a piece of all thread with 2 nuts on one end to lock it down and a pair of different sized washers on each end. Once you get it through both bushings all you have to do is tighten one nut and it pulls both bushings right into place, no muss, no fuss.

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Another angle of Paulcals engineering mind at work
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these red poly bushings were seated home in less than a minute with no difficulty whatsoever.

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And with not too much kicking and screaming the job is nearly completed.
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Shameless plug for North Florida Fieros
http://www.northfloridafieros.homestead.com/

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I got there just in time to get the good job, cleaning this melted mess up.

Another angle:

Here's Jeff hard at work while I slough off:

Who says working on a Fiero isn't fun? Look at that smile....

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OK, a couple of things................

Before you push the poly into the cleaned up arms, take the center metal sleeve out of the poly bushing and they will push in with hand force, much quicker. You can then grease up the center metal sleeve and install it once the bushings are in the arms.

You also don't need to burn the bushings completely out, now I understand why people don't like that method. We made a little tool to do it, but you can also do it by hand with your all thread, but a nut on the all thread with a washer, pass it through a bushing, another washer as big as you can and still have it pass through the sleeve of the old bushing, then a nut, tighten them securely (finger tight is fine). Have someone pull on the all thread while you're heating up the sleeve of the bushing with the torch. Just a few seconds and it will pop right out.

Wear leather gloves and a long sleeved shirt in case some rubber gets on you and always be safe when doing it.

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Originally posted by jstricker:

We made a little tool to do it, but you can also do it by hand with your all thread, but a nut on the all thread with a washer, pass it through a bushing, another washer as big as you can and still have it pass through the sleeve of the old bushing, then a nut, tighten them securely (finger tight is fine). Have someone pull on the all thread while you're heating up the sleeve of the bushing with the torch. Just a few seconds and it will pop right out.

Wear leather gloves and a long sleeved shirt in case some rubber gets on you and always be safe when doing it.

John Stricker

mighty fine idea!!!!
wish i woulda known that when i put my polly in

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LOL yeah NOW he tells us... great idea but after doing this twice, I think it's going to be awhile before I rebush control arms again. Oh wait, we still have his fronts to do. I guess we'll have a chance to try this out sooner than I thought.

Thanks J.S.

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I will be next on this poly upgrade. I ordered mine tonight.
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Jeff trying out the new poly, boy the 4.9 is fast

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Originally posted by paulcal:

Jeff trying out the new poly, boy the 4.9 is fast

Nice pic! Great thread Jeff. + to you. Nice tips in here.

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Report this Post05-15-2005 10:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for jeffndebrusSend a Private Message to jeffndebrusDirect Link to This Post
---You know I have to say-----y'all may not like the fire method, but to me it was a very enjoyable part of my day. I got to sit back and rest and watch the little orange flames dancing around the control arms.
Maybe we will try try jstricker's idea on the front-----but I may have to light something on fire just to complete the experience--lol.

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Nice thread... It will be very helpful to some..

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NIce thread. I would have two concerns with your method. First off burning out the bushings exposes the control arm to excessive heat and too much heat could destroy the temper and soften the metal. Second, the installation method using the threaded rod may very well push the bushings in square but I would also place a piece of pipe in between to prevent any inward pressure ( pushing the bushing in place) from bending the arm.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

NIce thread. I would have two concerns with your method. First off burning out the bushings exposes the control arm to excessive heat and too much heat could destroy the temper and soften the metal. Second, the installation method using the threaded rod may very well push the bushings in square but I would also place a piece of pipe in between to prevent any inward pressure ( pushing the bushing in place) from bending the arm.


I didn't say I was "the bushing guru"---Y'all listen to the experts---I listened to the people who I have been reading on here for the past four years who all said-burn them out.
Thanks Dennis, I assure you, it didn't take that much pressure with the all thread to install those bushings. Not nearly enough to ever bend them.
Thanks again, Jeff

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