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Sourmug's Battery Box Build by Sourmug
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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
I have been looking over the various battery relocation threads. So I say to my self "you can make one of those"! Here is my little project. This is the first time I have ever used fibreglass but all of you have inspired me. On to the build...

This is the hole that I cut into the spare tire tub. The dimensions are 10" wide X 11.75" high and the top starts at 1.25" down from the seam.

Here is a shot from the radiator side, note the radiator is not installed (obviously).

The next step was to fabricate a mold using foam core presentation board. I gradually assembled the mould piece by piece in the car except for the sides. I cut the sides as right-angle triangles and then attached them to the rest of the mold outside the car to make every thing square. I them cut the notch for the front sway bar. Note: the stearing rack stabilzer is removed for this to fit. I don't intend on putting one back on.

The four extra screws just above the opening are self tapping screws that I used to get everything to lie flat.

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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
The next step was to cover the inside of the mold completely with packing tape so that the fibreglass won't stick to it. Then I popped it into the car and used packing tape to attach it to the tub. Before fibreglassing I covered the front of the car with poly.

I then applied two layers for chop mat and resin. Sticky, sticky, sticky!

Once it had set up, I removed the poly and popped it out of the car.

Here is the box removed from the mold:

And the backside:

I then marked it up so it could be cut to size with about a 1'' to 1.25" flange for bolting it in:

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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post

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The next thing is to cut it and go over the edges to make them nice and straight. The belt sander works well for cleaning the edges:

OK, the not so fun part, filling and sanding, sanding, more filling, sanding sanding... you get the idea.

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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post

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Then the same with the front:

And after it's painted:

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And finally, how it sits in the car:

This is as far as I have gone. There is about 0.5" clearance from the box notch to the sway bar so I think it should be O.K. I haven't run the cables or actually screwed the box in place. All in good time as the car is in about a million pieces and is awaiting the 3.4 DOHC

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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for $Rich$Send a Private Message to $Rich$Direct Link to This Post
great job, too much work for me though , i just gave norm $65 for one of his including the wires, i just put mine in like a week and a half ago, cutting the hole made me itchy for like 2 days!!!
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Report this Post04-28-2005 11:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BlacktreeClick Here to visit Blacktree's HomePageSend a Private Message to BlacktreeDirect Link to This Post
You say this is the first time you've worked with fiberglass? Coulda fooled me.

Great job man!

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Report this Post04-29-2005 12:01 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ErikSend a Private Message to ErikDirect Link to This Post
Great Job! I made mine out of galvanized sheetmetal
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Report this Post04-29-2005 01:19 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Pink_NinjaSend a Private Message to Pink_NinjaDirect Link to This Post
Youve done an excellent job!

Nothing beats the sense of acomplishment you get from building something with your own two hands.

Any moron can buy a kit and bolt it in.

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Report this Post04-29-2005 07:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KekipiSend a Private Message to KekipiDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Pink_Ninja:

Youve done an excellent job!

Nothing beats the sense of acomplishment you get from building something with your own two hands.

Any moron can buy a kit and bolt it in.


Hey, I resemble that remark.

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Report this Post04-29-2005 07:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1MohrFieroSend a Private Message to 1MohrFieroDirect Link to This Post
Very Impressive! Don't stop now, send us more. This is a great do it yourself thread.

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Report this Post04-29-2005 08:40 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
Nice job

Thanks for posting your methods. That is good for the memory bank. I think the other way is to either fabricate aluminum or galvanized. It would be good to compare the two methods. Maybe somebody else will post a metal version of what you have done.

Again, nice job, and thanks.

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Report this Post04-29-2005 08:58 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Alex4mulaSend a Private Message to Alex4mulaDirect Link to This Post
Wow! Very nice work I would have done mine but I didn't have the time nor willingness for the messy work. Also this thread was not available then

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Report this Post04-29-2005 10:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for normsfClick Here to visit normsf's HomePageSend a Private Message to normsfDirect Link to This Post
Hello, very nice work. Now you can appreciate how much work goes into these. Heck I might just have to raise my price, just kidding thanks Norm
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Report this Post04-29-2005 12:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for all the nice comments.

Norm I fully understand the amount of work involved so your price is very reasonable. Thanks for the compliment but I know my glassing skills are no where near yours.

Yes I could have bought a box but then I would have missed out on the experience of making one. I have enjoyed doing it and I want to be able to make some body modifications for myself. Part of owning a Fiero for me is to build the car the way I want, learn how to do things and then do them myself

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Report this Post04-30-2005 12:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
Bump, for those who haven't seen it.
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Report this Post04-30-2005 03:45 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DR650SEClick Here to visit DR650SE's HomePageSend a Private Message to DR650SEDirect Link to This Post
Wow, that looks good. I think at some point i may try to do this and so thanks for the thread, you must be a glassing natural. I've never worked with the stuff before and so I want to start out small. Again, great work and nice step by step.

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Report this Post04-30-2005 04:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for crzyoneSend a Private Message to crzyoneDirect Link to This Post
Soooo, I take it you are no longer interested in my battery tray

Nice work, I fiberglassed the sub boxes in my car, I hate working with glass. Very sticky. Not good at it.

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Report this Post04-30-2005 07:18 AM Click Here to See the Profile for D-zoneSend a Private Message to D-zoneDirect Link to This Post
Really empresive work you can be proud of your creation. I will take your model to do mine (if I do it...)I have two questions....

Why have you done this in the car instead of removing the mold and doing it on a bench??
Did you get hard time removing the tray from the mold???

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Report this Post04-30-2005 08:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mrfixit58Send a Private Message to mrfixit58Direct Link to This Post
Great job! It looks like you've been working with fiberglass for years.

Note to all those who as "Why not just buy a kit". Well, if you take the extra time to learn how to make something that doesn't show, you gain the skills, knowledge, and confidence to tackle something that does show. You never know...


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Report this Post04-30-2005 12:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
D-zone

I did it in the car because the spare tire tub is not completely flat. In the bottom corner there is a small bulge that you can see on the completed piece, I wanted to make sure that it matched the tub as close as possible. It wasn't too hard to get the mold off and the part out, the packing tape doesn't stick to the cured firbreglass but it did take "some" effort.

Thanks everyone!

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Report this Post05-01-2005 11:26 AM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
And... one last bump!
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Report this Post05-01-2005 11:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ErikSend a Private Message to ErikDirect Link to This Post
so how does the battery fit? With that step in the box it looks like the battery will stick out away from the front of the box an inch or so.That wont cause interference with the spare tire will it?
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It seems to fit pretty well. The notch is needed because of the sway bar. I have to devise a hold down clamp yet and finish mounting it in the car but so far so good.

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Originally posted by Sourmug:

It seems to fit pretty well. The notch is needed because of the sway bar. I have to devise a hold down clamp yet and finish mounting it in the car but so far so good.

perhaps that step can be used as one of the spots for the battery hold down to fasten to

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so how does the battery fit? With that step in the box it looks like the battery will stick out away from the front of the box an inch or so.That wont cause interference with the spare tire will it?

Will the spare tire even fit with the battery there? It looks good though but why did you bother to notch out the bottom? Why didn't you just make the bottom shorter to clear the sway bar?

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Report this Post05-01-2005 02:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SourmugSend a Private Message to SourmugDirect Link to This Post
The notch will also provide room for the side connections to the battery, I plan on putting them away from the spare tire. Yes, maybe the notch could be used for a hold down of some sort.
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Report this Post05-01-2005 03:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BERKELUSAClick Here to visit BERKELUSA's HomePageSend a Private Message to BERKELUSADirect Link to This Post
Great build-up and well ducumented with pics! (how we should all do it eh?)

Fiberglas is fun stuff.. If it just wasnt so smelly / itchy / sticky / hazardous and got on everything ya freakin touched !

I'll be build mine from 1/8" wall x 1-1/2" L-angle iron when the time comes and a plywood bottom, Probably skinned over in sheet-metal, Got away from Glas.. Waaay too expensive and more time vs. just welding up a few steel brackets..

Also considering that a 20' stick of angle is only $12 here..

Again great job for your "first time with fiberglas", You would never know it..

Hope you wore a mask when sanding off the edges! or were all gonna live longer than you !

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Report this Post05-01-2005 03:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for cire36Send a Private Message to cire36Direct Link to This Post
Incase anyone is interested, Vasaline is a great mold release. It is easy to apply and the glass wont stick to it. When you pull your part off, the Vasaline stays on the mold, not the glass. I use this along with aluminum tape for a smooth as glass surface finish. When you cant get tape to lay flat, the Vasalins works good all by its self.

Just thought I'd share.

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Originally posted by Sourmug:

The notch will also provide room for the side connections to the battery, I plan on putting them away from the spare tire. .

Hey good idea ..dont need the battery terminals shorting out on the spare tire

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Report this Post05-01-2005 06:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jstrickerSend a Private Message to jstrickerDirect Link to This Post
Just to give you an idea, here's the hold down I like to use. I do NOT believe this will fit under the spare tire, but I've never checked it for certain, I do know it holds the battery securely and looks nice.

John Stricker

 
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The notch will also provide room for the side connections to the battery, I plan on putting them away from the spare tire. Yes, maybe the notch could be used for a hold down of some sort.

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