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DelawareFiero Member
Posts: 1050 From: Tod vor Schmach!! Registered: Apr 2004
From what Ive seen and what everyone else has posted on PFF. Not too much difference from getting your stock exhaust manifolds ported. You're not going to get too much bang for your buck so to speak. The costs outweigh the gains.
I would get the stock exhaust manifolds ported and then coated. Get a custom cat back made. A 2 1/2" exhaust pipe with a flowmaster, or different muffler you will come out ahead of just buying those headers.
But thats just a suggestion.
By the way, I love your car
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
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Paul Prince Member
Posts: 2935 From: Kansas City, MO Registered: Dec 2002
The WCF shorty headers also use a different clamp (Momen?) to connect to the crossover pipe. So IF you ever wanted to put a turbo on, you would have to change headers. I agree, overall, that IF you get 10hp, that's pretty expensive for $695........Paul
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AaronZ34 Member
Posts: 2322 From: Colorado Springs, CO Registered: Oct 2004
They both look OK, and will give gains above the manifolds, I'd say maybe 10hp. The collector on the top set looks really bad, but neither are that great.
If I were you, I'd find an equal length set, with reasonably long primaries, and use those. FOr the cost you'll get a lot more power all across the board. But if you are just looking for a replacement for the manifolds, for looks and a little bit of power, those will work fine.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
I have to think about the technical inspection. Something too wild-looking will cause problems...
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Originally posted by AaronZ34:
They both look OK, and will give gains above the manifolds, I'd say maybe 10hp. The collector on the top set looks really bad, but neither are that great.
If I were you, I'd find an equal length set, with reasonably long primaries, and use those. FOr the cost you'll get a lot more power all across the board. But if you are just looking for a replacement for the manifolds, for looks and a little bit of power, those will work fine.
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Dec 13th, 2004
yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
I think either set would do you fine. I have a set of 2nd generation KFG headers on mine. The reason I went headers was because my original manifolds had cracked beyond repair and the headers were less expensive than stock manifolds. There have been write-ups on this forum regarding the KFG headers in the past. And yes, mine had cracked just like in the pictures. KFG finally got around to sending me their second generation of the headers and I have had them on my car just over a year now. They have held up fine. Seems they've solved their connection between welds problem.
There is a noticeable gain in horsepower, how much, I don't know. Nor did I really care. I just wanted to stop the leaks in my exhaust system.
The ported stock manifolds have been tested against these headers in the past and posted on here. The gain over ported manifolds is 1-2 HP which is nothing. Ported manifolds from Darrell Morse cost $150-160 shipped vs $500 or more for 2 HP at the most is not worth it. If the 1-2 Hp is worth it to you then don't forget that you get a %10 discount from the Fierostore for being a member of Pennocks on those headers or any non GM parts. Darrel's email: morse86@aol.com
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Black-Azz-GT Member
Posts: 2326 From: Florida Keys Registered: Oct 2003
I had the sprint Headers on my 3.4 and they where nice. Remember also that the sprint manifolds are Ceramic coated and keep under deck temperatures low. The quality is great on them as well. I have also seen where the other manifolds WCF and KFG have cracked pretty bad but have never seen it on the sprints. The porting thing is tru but you have a great looking car and the headers really inhance the look of the engin compartment. See my pic.
I too have the sprint manifolds and they are of excelent quality. As for gains, well not worth the money. for 600 you could buy a more powerful motor to swap in, although in Germany, this may not be allowed. Bang for buck makes them not worth it.
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WKDFIRO Member
Posts: 1637 From: Cerritos, California, USA Registered: Nov 1999
The Fiero Store Sprints are the better choice of the two. Yes the performance gains are not much more than porting the stock ones, But the Sprints are ceramic coated, If you call in your order you get 10% off ($54.90 off the price makes them just under $500) The biggest advantage the Sprints have is durability. I had Sprints on my 2.8L for 5 years, them moved them over to my 3.4L for another year. Ask PFF member Ditch how they look, He now has my old 3.4L. Never had a crack or any exhaust leaks. The coating lost some of it's "sheen" but it still had a nice even coating without flaking or peeling. Where even porting, re-welding, and coating the stock ones, They can still crack/leak. They bolt right up to the stock "Y" pipe and should have no problems with inspections or emission testing. Here is a pic of what they looked like when I was building the 3.4L, I did nothing but take them off of the 2.8L and installed them on the 3.4L:
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
port and re weld yours and be happy with the saved money,while there off, take a wire wheel to them and clean them up , theyll look good as new!!
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
My vote is the Fiero Store but I agree with the others that for the money if you just port yours, clean them up, and have them coated you'll get nearly as much performance. I have experience with all three and, in fact, am running the WCF shorties now after completely rebuilding them on our race car. The only reason I did that was the sprints were still in good enough condition to sell to someone and so were the stock manifolds, I wouldn't sell the WCF Shorty's to my worst enemy.
I don't know how often the WCF headers fall to pieces like mine did, what I do know is if you have a problem with them, you're not going to get anything but excuses and no service after the sale.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by yellowstone:
I'm in the market for headers and Y-pipe. I'm undecided between these:
1) Fiero Store
85-88 V6 SPRINT MANIFOLD SET WITH HEAT COATING
2) West Coast Fiero
Shorty" Exhaust Headers for 2.8 for $695 (stainless steel)
Who has experience and advice? Thanks!
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AaronZ34 Member
Posts: 2322 From: Colorado Springs, CO Registered: Oct 2004
Originally posted by Black-Azz-GT: They also give an nice sound.
Generally, that's a bad thing. You can tell a car has a really well designed set of headers when it has a heavy rasp on the low/mid range. Even the pushrod V6s do it. V8s have enough cylinders, with good firing spacing, so they kind of even it out a bit. This means that the headers primary length and diameter are next to perfect. Needless to say, my Z34 sounds like a Civic with no muffler, especially on the low end. It really is slightly embarrasing. But for the few who recognize it as header rasp, they look twice
Yes those sprint maifolds do look like a factory item, and I'm sure will give you no problem under inspection. Make sure you hook up your EGR, if they notice, its an instant fail.
As for my headers durability, I broke a primary-bell weld at about 50 miles after install at the track. It sucked. And of course it couldn't be on the front set, that are easy to take out. And on the rears, it had to be the onyl one that I couldn't get my MIG to. So I had to pull it out. But now, it has more weld on that single joint than my enitre exhaust setup. It ain't breaking again.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
if you plan on ordering WCF ones, hurry and do so ASAP so they might get to you by spring (ducks and runs....)
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Just to add to my above comments; Darrell Morse ported manifolds cost = $150 + black ceramic coat by local shop = $75. Total = $225. The shiney 'chrome' like ceramic coating costs more than the grey or black that I did mine in but the two darker ceramic coat colors are actually more efficient than the shiney one. So, for $225 I got the same gain and actually less heat in my engine compartment than even a coated set of either of the more expensive headers. I had the sprints on my old GT. I agree that if you feel the need to spend more money on a set of headers that really don't do anything more than the stock ported manifolds you would be better off with the Sprints. They did at least look impressive.
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Dec 14th, 2004
my-fiero Member
Posts: 299 From: The Netherlands Registered: Dec 2002
Here are a couple pics I took of the Sprint compared to the stock manifolds. Notice how much better looking the flow path is on the sprints, also the openings are larger.
And for those wondering. This is what the restriction looks like in a stock manifold.
Originally posted by Dave Gunsul: Just to add to my above comments; Darrell Morse ported manifolds cost = $150 + black ceramic coat by local shop = $75. Total = $225. The shiney 'chrome' like ceramic coating costs more than the grey or black that I did mine in but the two darker ceramic coat colors are actually more efficient than the shiney one. So, for $225 I got the same gain and actually less heat in my engine compartment than even a coated set of either of the more expensive headers. I had the sprints on my old GT. I agree that if you feel the need to spend more money on a set of headers that really don't do anything more than the stock ported manifolds you would be better off with the Sprints. They did at least look impressive.
This is where I'm at too. either stock, ported & coated, or go for real headers, the WCF's - not the shortys or manifolds - the long tube ones, along with their full exhaust or Borla. the 1-7/8" stock exhaust & the y-pipe gotta go too.
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Posts: 7405 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
.......... The shiney 'chrome' like ceramic coating costs more than the grey or black that I did mine in but the two darker ceramic coat colors are actually more efficient than the shiney one. ............
I would say you won't be able to measure any efficiency difference, i.e. they will be more or less the same. But! The nice chrome coated will quickly get dull silver once in use. So just get the most economic treatment unless it is for a trailer queen
Any advise from anyone on advantages of stainless steel headers versus ceramic coated steel headers? Does the ceramic coating on steel make them last like stainless steel would? I know that there is a big price difference when you go with stainless.
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$Rich$ Member
Posts: 14575 From: Sioux Falls SD Registered: Dec 2002
the ceramic coating is another version of "jet Hot" which is a brand, of coating, that keeps the temps in the engine compartment down
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Doug Chase Member
Posts: 1487 From: Seattle area, Washington State, USA Registered: Sep 2001
If I may jump in with some blatant self promotion...
Yellowstone, I don't think my headers fit your stealth requirement, but if anybody else is considering spending $500 with the Fiero store of WCF, at least look at these true equal length headers first: http://www.chaserace.com/doug/forsale.html
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Dec 15th, 2004
AaronZ34 Member
Posts: 2322 From: Colorado Springs, CO Registered: Oct 2004
If I may jump in with some blatant self promotion...
Yellowstone, I don't think my headers fit your stealth requirement, but if anybody else is considering spending $500 with the Fiero store of WCF, at least look at these true equal length headers first: http://www.chaserace.com/doug/forsale.html
Now those are probably the best I've seen. THe only thing I'd change is the 2.5" collectors, I'd use 2.25". But that won't make a big difference, as long as you have a decent reducer afterwards. Long, well-sized primary tubes, beautiful long smooth collectors, etc. That is a very nice set of headers, and I'd use those before anything else. Except expect your enigne's sound quality to take a bit of a dive on the low end, but it is worth it for double, probably even triple the hp/tq gains opposed to the other sets.
I would say you won't be able to measure any efficiency difference, i.e. they will be more or less the same. But! The nice chrome coated will quickly get dull silver once in use. So just get the most economic treatment unless it is for a trailer queen
Perhapes I didn't make myself clear about what I meant by efficiency, I meant that the darker colors keep in more heat than the chrome-like coating does. It has been tested and it's actually a whopping difference to the tune of 45% more efficient at keeping in heat than the shiney version. As a side benefit, the darker colors are also cheaper as I already stated above.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Doug Chase: If I may jump in with some blatant self promotion...
Yellowstone, I don't think my headers fit your stealth requirement, but if anybody else is considering spending $500 with the Fiero store of WCF, at least look at these true equal length headers first: http://www.chaserace.com/doug/forsale.html
well, them do look great! any chance of making a set that I can use with my 4 speed trans?
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