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Possible source for aftermarket 3800 Series I cams by Darth Fiero
Started on: 10-19-2004 01:56 AM
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Report this Post10-19-2004 01:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Darth FieroClick Here to visit Darth Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Darth FieroDirect Link to This Post
A custom chip customer of mine was doing some looking around for upgrade parts for his L27 (3800 Series I) engine and found this site: http://www.crowcams.com.au/templates/Catalogue-HoldenV6.shtml

Appearantly the Aussie Holden V6 is the same as our 3800 Series I engine. Not 100% sure on this but I am sure someone knows or can find out. Just thought I would pass the info along since so many Fiero owners have this engine.

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Report this Post10-19-2004 02:24 AM Click Here to See the Profile for ducattimanSend a Private Message to ducattimanDirect Link to This Post
Eh Darth....i really hate to show u up....but here is 1 of many links i have find for the series 1 camshafts


http://www.lazercams.com/Buick6EvenFire78_92Kit.html


http://www.lazercams.com/CamTables.html

that ones is for the specs

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Report this Post10-19-2004 08:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for TugboatSend a Private Message to TugboatDirect Link to This Post
Thanks, guys, I've been keeping an eye open for a place to get series 1 cams. But what's up with the "up to 91" or "Up to 92" bit? I've got a '93, and '94s were series 1 too, weren't they?

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Originally posted by ducattiman:

Eh Darth....i really hate to show u up....but here is 1 of many links i have find for the series 1 camshafts


http://www.lazercams.com/Buick6EvenFire78_92Kit.html


http://www.lazercams.com/CamTables.html

that ones is for the specs



There are several companies that make camshafts for the 231-252. These are the Rwd versions , not sure the differance between them and fwd. I do know the buick GN heads will work on the series1 3800 . In 89 the turbo T/A used the Buick GN block with fwd 3800 heads to clear the strut towers. The exhaust ports are differant but if someone wanted to buy the square port flanges and make their own headers they could get a set of aluminum heads.

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Report this Post10-19-2004 02:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Darth FieroClick Here to visit Darth Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Darth FieroDirect Link to This Post
The difference is the 3.8 FWD and 3.8 Turbo engines did not have roller cams nor balance shafts. All 3800 engines had both balance shafts and roller cams. Other than that I believe the valve arrangement is the same between 3.8 and 3800 Series I. 93-95 Series I engines used the same design cam as earlier 3800's. Would like to know if someone has experience with the Holden V6 knows if it had a roller cam and balance shaft or not.
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Report this Post10-20-2004 05:27 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ducattimanSend a Private Message to ducattimanDirect Link to This Post
yes but like i said and stand corrected.....


i emailed laser cams a few days ago and here is their reply

Derek,

With enough information I can always get the correct grind for an engine and car combination, so that the customer gets the performance he wants. To fit a particular engine correctly, we have to use the correct blank. I then need to know EXACTLY which engine and in EXACTLY which car and the year. GM changed many things with the 3800 series over the years. Write me back with the details of what you have and what you want, and we'll tackle it.

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ducattiman@yahoo.com writes:

Hello..i was looking at ur site of the 79-92 buick
3.8L cams..now would those cams work for a series 1
3800 fwd v6..


Derek


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Under pressure from the major Detroit automakers, the engine oil manufacturers have removed the zinc additive from engine oil. The really bad news is that this increases camshaft and follower failure rates enormously during, and after the break-in time. If you can find a zinc additive for engine oil, that helps greatly. GM's EOS break-in lube has been a faithful option, too. I understand that Valvoline and Kendall racing oils that are labeled "not for highway use" still have the zinc in them.

There have been no changes in camshaft or follower materials or heat treatment from ANY of us in the racing aftermarket. The increased failure rates are due to the missing zinc in addition to the usual assembly related problems we've been discussing the last thirty years or so. Keeping open spring pressures as low as possible is now more important than ever.


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Report this Post10-20-2004 10:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Darth FieroClick Here to visit Darth Fiero's HomePageSend a Private Message to Darth FieroDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by ducattiman:

ducattiman@yahoo.com writes:

Hello..i was looking at ur site of the 79-92 buick
3.8L cams..now would those cams work for a series 1
3800 fwd v6..

The 79-92 Buick engine is also listed in the Comp Cams catalog, this is more commonly known by people who use the Buick Race engine which was very popular in ASA before they went to the LS1. These engines are FLAT TAPPET, not hydrualic roller. All 1987-up "3800" engines are hydraulic roller. Don't confuse 3.8L with the 3800 because they are not the same engine. The Buick 3.8 does NOT have a balance shaft either.

The "3800" Series I engine was used from 1987-1995 in various FWD applications here in the U.S. I have never seen a Holden V6 nor do I know if this is the same "3800" engine or if it is a 3.8L V6.

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got to love u darth
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