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Strange problem? by Earl
Started on: 08-20-2004 03:22 PM
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Report this Post08-20-2004 03:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
I had a strange problem yesterday. I was going to work when the temp light came on in my gt. It has been overheating for a while so I was expecting it however the guage read 200. then the clutch refused to dissengage then the motor died. I had a hard time starting it because the clutch still wouldn't dissengauge. It finaly started as it pulled the car forward and after a few pumps it worked then didn't. I then let it sit a couple of hours. Refilled the water (over 3 gal.) and drove it home without a problem! Can someone explane what happend? Please?
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Report this Post08-20-2004 03:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ElectrathonClick Here to visit Electrathon's HomePageSend a Private Message to ElectrathonDirect Link to This Post
Your car was so hot that you were boiling the brake fluid in the line. The temp sender will not work unless it is submerged in coolant.

If you put in 3 gallons of coolant it is unlikely that you don't have engine damage. From the sounds of it this is not the first time either.

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Report this Post08-20-2004 03:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
This is the first time it has got this hot. I have never had to put in more than 3/4 gal in. The temp guage indicated the temprature rose evenly untill it got to 200 theats where it stayed. I only had 1/2 mile left to go so I went. Like I said it ran home fine and to and from work today.

Please explane how brake fluid boiling would cause the clutch to stop dissengauging. I am not questioning it I just want to know the dynamics.

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Report this Post08-20-2004 03:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 87SEbeastSend a Private Message to 87SEbeastDirect Link to This Post
The hydraulic fluid that the clutch uses is DOT 3 brake fluid. You boiled it because the engine and transaxle were very hot.
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Report this Post08-20-2004 03:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
I understiood that part of it but when it boils won't that cause it to expand and dissengauge the clutch? it felt like the line was cut.
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Report this Post08-20-2004 04:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MaheanuuClick Here to visit Maheanuu's HomePageSend a Private Message to MaheanuuDirect Link to This Post
No, as when it boils it turns into a gas state and as you can compress a gas and not a liquid. All you were doing was pressurizing the line and the clutch spring having more pressure would not disengage... (Boyles Law)
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Report this Post08-20-2004 05:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Francis TClick Here to visit Francis T's HomePageSend a Private Message to Francis TDirect Link to This Post
He's right about the fluid and don't ya think it's time to find out where your water is going? If it's not leaking, pull your dipstick and see if the oil looks normal.
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Report this Post08-20-2004 06:22 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
Oil is fine. Water boils into and overflows the overflow tank and onto the road.
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Report this Post08-20-2004 08:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ElectrathonClick Here to visit Electrathon's HomePageSend a Private Message to ElectrathonDirect Link to This Post
I guess I wasn't very clear. Yes, the brake fluid in the clutch line was boiling. Your temp sender reading ment nothing at the time this was happening. A temp sender will be totally inacurate if it is not submerged in liquid.

I would hate to know how hot that engine was. You likely had it well over 300 degrees block temp when this happened.

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Report this Post08-20-2004 08:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
Wow 300 do you think it went that high? What would happen if I installed a 18 lb radiator cap? I have had a overheating problem for a while now that I havent been able to figure out. I know it acts normal on untill it gets to about 200 then it tends to blow.
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Report this Post08-20-2004 08:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FIEROPHREKSend a Private Message to FIEROPHREKDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Earl:

Oil is fine. Water boils into and overflows the overflow tank and onto the road.

Try checking you radiator cap to see if its working properly. the radiator cap is designed to overflow expanded coolant (expands because of heat ) and keep the cooling system at a predetermined pressure.the higher the pressure the system can sustain the hotter the coolant can get before it boils off. If the cap sticks open then you'll boil the coolant off, because the system won't hold the pressure to keep the coolant from boiling, and it will let coolant into the overflow bottle . You'll notice on every car that the cooling system says "never open hot" . Thats because if you relieve the pressure on the system you lower the coolants boiling point to a temp below what the car operates at . Then the coolant instantly boils off and spews all over the place . The reason you might have clutch problems at the same time is that the clutch lines run along side of the coolant transfer tubes therefore the whole lenght of tubing gets very hot (like a steam tube) causing the clutch fluid to boil.

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Report this Post08-20-2004 11:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for EarlSend a Private Message to EarlDirect Link to This Post
I have tried 3 diferent caps all with the same result.
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Report this Post08-21-2004 12:23 AM Click Here to See the Profile for neghchoClick Here to visit neghcho's HomePageSend a Private Message to neghchoDirect Link to This Post
is your fan working? After I heard that boiling sound coming from under my hood the first time, that's all it took to replace my rad fan and put it on a toggle switch. Does your radiator get hot as the engine heats up? if not it's blocked or has no fluid. Also check the pipe that comes up from the water pump, these are most prone to leaks. You need to find out what's happeneing before you drive it into the ground.
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Report this Post08-21-2004 01:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for alienfieroSend a Private Message to alienfieroDirect Link to This Post
Bad water pump? maby, You will have to raise the back of your fiero to burp the cooling system. Or you will have a air lock and pump no water. Being from Alaska at one time. I use a 60/40 mix of antifreze.
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