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Problems with front caliper after instalation by MooCow
Started on: 06-16-2004 05:44 PM
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Last post by: red85gt on 06-17-2004 02:37 AM
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Report this Post06-16-2004 05:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
I am having a problem with my front passenger side caliper. I was adding cross drilled rotors to the front of my car and when I put on different calipers it stays locked on the one side. I bled the system after adding the newer calipers. The drivers side works perfect, but the passenger side will stay locked when the brakes are applies. Do I still have air in the line or something? Or is the passenger side caliper not working? Any tips as to what to look for would be great. Did I bleed the calipers wrong by chance?

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Report this Post06-16-2004 06:54 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mattmSend a Private Message to mattmDirect Link to This Post
That could be the calipers sliders binding, or possibly a pinched or bad brake hose.

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Report this Post06-16-2004 07:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
Brake lines are in great shape. I took the caliper back off and the pads and pushed in the caliper part then re-installed the pads and the caliper. After that the tire will spin freely until you hit the brakes then it will stay stuck. I hoped that maybe if I drove it around the block it would come undone, but instead it just made smoke.

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Report this Post06-16-2004 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JeffMNSend a Private Message to JeffMNDirect Link to This Post
I just had the same problem with my pass side caliper...

It could be the check valve in the master cylinder or more likely a hosed up caliper.

In my situation I had a caliper that sat for years on worn down pads. I put on brand new rotors and new pads and compressed the caliper piston back in. The piston hadn't been that deep in the bore in around 10 years. The first time I applied the brakes, it siezed. I pushed it back a couple of times with a clamp, but it kept seizing.

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Originally posted by MooCow:

Brake lines are in great shape. I took the caliper back off and the pads and pushed in the caliper part then re-installed the pads and the caliper. After that the tire will spin freely until you hit the brakes then it will stay stuck. I hoped that maybe if I drove it around the block it would come undone, but instead it just made smoke.

Thanks Ken


You had mentioned you installed newer calipers but did not say if you were going with an oem type or trying something different. I would re-install the old caliper if it was in working order and see if the problem goes away. If it does then your problem is not in the master cylinder or line and lies within the new caliper.
If the problem is in the new caliper then it either is not mounting straight causing a bind, the slides are sticking and causing a bind or what I believe to be most likely, the piston in the caliper is not returning when the fluid pressure is released. When you drive it the problem would worsen due to heat building up.
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Report this Post06-16-2004 08:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for buddycraiggSend a Private Message to buddycraiggDirect Link to This Post
open the bleeder screw on that side and see if it lets go of the rotor.

if it does then it's probably a bad hose

if it doesn't then the caliper is binding somewhere

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Report this Post06-16-2004 10:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for all the tips. I would put back on the old caliper, but I can't because I can't push the piston back in. I would put on a drivers side caliper, but the hose won't fit because its farther down. I will open the bleeder valve to see if the caliper looses up or not. The piston on that caliper pushed down pretty easily just like the other side when I go push it in. Just as soon as the brake is applied that it gets stuck and won't go back down. Could I simply put on the drivers side caliper that I know works and bleed it, then have someone push the brake in as I watch the piston move in and out? Wouldn't that help narrow my problem down?

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Report this Post06-16-2004 10:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FreshjSend a Private Message to FreshjDirect Link to This Post
Chances are the hose internally collapsed when you were pulling the caliper off. Even if it looks ok on the outside, it can still be bad. They act like one way valves when that do that. I'd just get new front hoses, and try that first...

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Report this Post06-16-2004 11:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JazzManSend a Private Message to JazzManDirect Link to This Post
Ditto on the faulty hose scenario. The rubber liner has probably delaminated and is now acting like a check valve, preventing fluid from returning back form the caliper until you apply pressure to the piston to push it back in. The definitive test for this is to open the bleeder when the caliper is locked. If fluid comes out and the caliper releases then the hose has delaminated.

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Report this Post06-17-2004 12:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for STRATOHACKERSend a Private Message to STRATOHACKERDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by buddycraigg:

open the bleeder screw on that side and see if it lets go of the rotor.

if it does then it's probably a bad hose

if it doesn't then the caliper is binding somewhere


WHACK!!!!!
Stratohacker smacks self in forehead for forgetting to point out the easiest way to check the hose.
What Buddycraigg (note 2 g's this time lesson learned) and Jazzman have stated is the easiest way to verify the hose issue.
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Report this Post06-17-2004 01:13 AM Click Here to See the Profile for buddycraiggSend a Private Message to buddycraiggDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by STRATOHACKER:

WHACK!!!!!
Stratohacker smacks self in forehead for forgetting to point out the easiest way to check the hose.
What Buddycraigg (note 2 g's this time lesson learned) and Jazzman have stated is the easiest way to verify the hose issue.
Richey


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Report this Post06-17-2004 02:37 AM Click Here to See the Profile for red85gtClick Here to visit red85gt's HomePageSend a Private Message to red85gtDirect Link to This Post
After replacing the pads on my LF caliper it started sticking exactly like youres. I finally took it off popped the piston out cleaned the inside of the bore and lightly sanded the piston with fine emery cloth. Put it back together and it works fine. Over time a sludge builds up inside the caliper and needs to be removed. Costs noting but time to clean im up.

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