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Can a park/neutral safety switch be intermittent? by 2000RagTop
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Can a park/neutral safety switch be intermittent..... adjusting aside!
Can it work some times, and then not work other times?

I did clean my wire harness that connects the neutral switch, it was filled with gunk…..looked like someone put some type of grease in it. [Edit] after buying a new Switch I found out they are suppose to have this "grease" in them
as a way of keeping water out [/edit]

Car started, pulled out the driveway, on-to the road, shut the car off, tried to re-start…….wouldn’t start.
30 seconds later the car started ?????

Thanks,
Sorry for being a pain on this one….

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Report this Post05-18-2004 02:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for prof boboClick Here to visit prof bobo's HomePageSend a Private Message to prof boboDirect Link to This Post
Yes.

So could the wiring at the connector, the wiring from the connector ... and so on.

Seriously, if you suspect the switch is bad, bypass it for a while to see if the problem goes away, bend a paperclip or other piece of wire and insert it into the connector, tape it up, and drive. If you have no problems then you've probably got a bad switch. If you still have problems then you have other wiring issues ... and maybe a bad switch. The key is to systematically work back through the circuit, testing and eliminating bad components until there's nothing left to check.

BTW, electrical connectors are often deliberately filled with grease in order to help prevent corrosion.

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i'll take starters and solenoids for $300 Bob
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Might be worth the trouble to rig up a test light between your starter solenoid and ground, and run it into the car.
If you turn the key and the bulb lights, you know it's getting juice. (If it doesn't start, it's the starter or solenoid.)
If you turn the key and it *doesn't* light, you know the problem is somewhere before the solenoid.

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but if you have a tilt column, you might try tilting it all the way up or down.
The starter switch under the dash can get intermittant. Just moving the column can expose a "fresh" part of the contact.

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Originally posted by Raydar:

I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but if you have a tilt column, you might try tilting it all the way up or down.
The starter switch under the dash can get intermittant. Just moving the column can expose a "fresh" part of the contact.

Raydar.....
Thanks, I did try this, with no luck
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Try disconnecting your battery cables,they may have corosion on the contact side,causeing intermitant power..This sounds like your ignition modual or coil pack may be going bad.Do you hear clicking when you try and start the car, does it crank or nothing at all ?Have you tried pulling the codes?
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Originally posted by James Bond 007:

Try disconnecting your battery cables,they may have corosion on the contact side,causeing intermitant power..This sounds like your ignition modual or coil pack may be going bad.Do you hear clicking when you try and start the car, does it crank or nothing at all ?Have you tried pulling the codes?


I have cleaned all the cables ends, including the starter/soleniod. I have a new ignition module/ new coil.
I have no codes.....When it doesn't start, I have full power to all electrial Components eg. radio , heater. wipers. headlights "EXCEPT REAR DECK LID"

Do I hear clicking? No, just the key turns with no starter or turning over.......

Thanks for the reply.......
-Michael

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Originally posted by 2000RagTop:

Can a park/neutral safety switch be intermittent..... adjusting aside!
Can it work some times, and then not work other times?

I did clean my wire harness that connects the neutral switch, it was filled with gunk…..looked like someone put some type of grease in it. [Edit] after buying a new Switch I found out they are suppose to have this "grease" in them
as a way of keeping water out [/edit]

Car started, pulled out the driveway, on-to the road, shut the car off, tried to re-start…….wouldn’t start.
30 seconds later the car started ?????

Thanks,
Sorry for being a pain on this one….

-Michael
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Michael:

You may know this and have tried it already, but the switch in my car is a little flaky and I find if it won't start that jiggling the gear selector does the trick. I may even have to take it out of park and put it back in. Though, if all you have to do to get your car to start again is wait, I'd think that your trouble lies elsewhere.

Hope this helps...
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Report this Post05-18-2004 09:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
Check the thin + wire from the battery and the junction under C500. Any problems with that thin wire will cause problems like this.

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Report this Post05-18-2004 10:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for CMTBEARSend a Private Message to CMTBEARDirect Link to This Post
As the theogre said, check the thin red wire from the battery, use a ohm meter/continuity tester. because the can visually look good, but not be a 100%. also try cleaning the ground wire.

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Report this Post05-20-2004 08:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ThaFieroMunkSend a Private Message to ThaFieroMunkDirect Link to This Post
Remember how I said I had the same problem and fixed it. Well it came back today.. but I think I figured it out, since my car will now start in reverse ONLY. So looks like I have to readjust my neutral safety switch again.

I hope you've had some luck with your car

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Report this Post05-20-2004 09:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 2000RagTopSend a Private Message to 2000RagTopDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by ThaFieroMunk:

Remember how I said I had the same problem and fixed it. Well it came back today.. but I think I figured it out, since my car will now start in reverse ONLY. So looks like I have to readjust my neutral safety switch again.

I hope you've had some luck with your car

So far, I did get a new P/N safety Switch, but haven't insatalled it.........
I did clean the connections, and since (knock on wood) haven't had a problem...........

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I have had this same problem for well over a year now. I haven't checked the wire that Ogre and them mention, I will try that next. I've also heard that the wire from the tranny to the starter motor can get coroded or become weak, and they it only works some of the time.

For now I have a bypassed rigged to start the car when this problem surfaces. Oddly enough it only happens inthe summer when the car is hot.

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Report this Post05-21-2004 10:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 2000RagTopSend a Private Message to 2000RagTopDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by theogre:

Check the thin + wire from the battery and the junction under C500. Any problems with that thin wire will cause problems like this.

Thanks for the heads -up on this, I did check that connection, it's in good shape.......

Thanks,
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Originally posted by buddycraigg:

i'll take starters and solenoids for $300 Bob

Me too. I had the same problem, and just lived with it until the starter went dead for good. Then I got a new one, and have had no problems since.

Since my car does not have to be a daily driver, it was not that big of a deal, and was just a minor annoyance.

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