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Ghetto alignment, how do I go about it? by Sootah
Started on: 04-27-2004 01:29 PM
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Report this Post04-27-2004 01:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SootahClick Here to visit Sootah's HomePageSend a Private Message to SootahDirect Link to This Post
I screwed up my alignment on my drivers front when I did the balljoints yesterday. I backed off the jam nut not knowing that I didn't have to, and so my drivers wheel turns to the left while the passengers side goes straight. When I was threading the jam nut back down to the tie rod the entire rod spun a couple of times. How do I ghetto align it for now, so I can cruise on it for a couple of weeks? I don't want to get a for real alignment yet, because I am puting in poly bushings in.

Do I spin the rod while the wheel is attached? Do I have to pop the tie rod out and screw it in? What's the proper way to do this?

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Report this Post04-27-2004 01:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fiero1969Send a Private Message to fiero1969Direct Link to This Post
you can do it both ways its up to you ive done it both ways in my shop

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Report this Post04-27-2004 04:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
loosen the nut and put some vice grips on it. I did mine while the tires were on the car.

On the BACK tire run a string from the back of the tire wrap it around to the front of the tire so it touches both sides of the tire. Then run it to the front tire and tie it off to the frame somewhere so it touches both sides of the tire.
Do this on both sides of the car. Put your steering wheel in the middle.
Now adjust the tie rods till the space from the back of the front tire is equal to the string on both front tires.
Mine was about ¼ inch.

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Report this Post04-28-2004 12:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for JazzManSend a Private Message to JazzManDirect Link to This Post
Try googling the words "DIY front alignment" for tips. Using string to compare front to back won't work because if the track is not exactly the same front to rear the wheels will end up being toed in or out. The track width isn't the same on Fieros front to rear. Toe is the difference in measurement between the front and the rear of the tires. If the tires are toed out, the front measurement will be larger than the rear, etc. The most accurate way to do this at home is to make a tramel bar, that's basically a board with a fixed pointer at one end and an adjustable one at the other. The pointers can be triangles of plywood, the adustable pointer can be C-clamped in place. Jack up each of the front tires so that they'll spin, spin them by hand and rub a piece of chalk (or use paint, etc) on the center of the tread 1/2" or so wide. Then spin each tire and hold a sharp item such as a nail or blade against the chalk/paint mark to scribe a very narrow line. This represents the plane of the tire. After doing each tire lower the car to the ground. Roll the car back and forth a foot or so while turning the wheel, this will settle the suspension. Don't roll so far as to obliterate your scribed line. Now for the tramel bar: The bar rests on the ground and the top of the two pointers is equal (approximately) to the height of the wheel center to the ground. Place the trammel against the rear of the two tires with the fixed pointer lined with the scribe on one tire, adjust the other pointer to align with the scribe mark on the second tire, then lock it in place. Move the trammel bar to the front of the two tires and align the fixed pointer with the scribe mark as before. Measure the distance from the adjustable pointer to the scribe mark. The difference between the two distances is your toe. If the front distance is 1/8" less than the rear distance, then you're toed in 1/8". Generally, toe out causes quick turn-in but the tradeoff is the car feels squirrely and wanders. Toe in makes the car track nicely but it doesn't feel as responsive. Too much of either causes extreme tire wear.

Now, if you want to use strings what you do is to set them up parallel to each other and then parallel to the center of the car, then you can measure to the scribe mark on the tires front and rear to determine toe. Note, almost all toe specifications are to the outer diameter of the tire, not the rim of the wheel.

Another way to do this if you have a really flat floor is to paint or draw parallel marks on the ground and then use a square to transfer the center plane of the tire to the ground, then measure from there to the painted/drawn line. There are lots of ways to determine toe. Camber is fairly easy, use a camber guage from some place like Sears, for instance. Caster is a bit more complicated, but with the math tables and two steel plates with grease between them to rotate the tire on you measure caster as well.

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Report this Post04-28-2004 04:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for GTDudeDirect Link to This Post
The way I set toe is to center the steering wheel, and using two people with a piece of twine or string, roll the car until you get the shortest distance between the front of the tires on the twine. Mark this, then roll the car back until you get the longest distance between front tires and mark this. On the front side, subtract the short distance from the long distance. If it is longest on the front side, then you have toe out. If longest on the rear side, you have to in.

Example: The front measurement is 52 1/4" and the rear is 52". This means the toe is 1/4 toed out.

The same came be done with the rear wheels also. In the above example, if you wanted 0 toe then you would loosen the jam nuts on both front tie rod ends and turn each rod in....or pulling the rear of the tires together until you have the same measurement front and rear of the tire. The rear is done in the same manner.

I have an alignment machine and have tried this method against the string method. If you are careful, you can get just as accurate a measurement and just as good of results. Good luck.

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Report this Post04-28-2004 07:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Jake_DragonSend a Private Message to Jake_DragonDirect Link to This Post
Good information.
The string trick will center up his wheel and get him to a shop.
I would not drive on that alignment.

Thanks for the input I will put it away for use later

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