Hey guys. I have a problem. I can't get my clutch to disengagde. ITWont! no matter what. I have to shut the car off put it in first... the starter pushed the car forward with the clutch in and i still move forward.Then i have to shift with the sycros.

IT started after i drove on the freeway one day and i pulled off and the clutch wouldnt disengadge, then i parked ... waited 20 minutes, and then it worked... for about 30 minutes until i got on the freeway again drove 15 miles in fourth and then it was broken again.

Iv'e owned over eight fieros and i know the ins and outs of clutch hydroics and how to bleed them. I was getting 3/4 of an inch when i checked it first so i replaced the master and slave and the clutch ptel with all new parts formt he fiero store. I bleed the crap out of this using the archie meathod. The petal is now slightly firmer then it should be, i move the proper amount, but still no disengadgement. I pulled the transmission recently and replaced it, i dont want to do it again!!! ahhh. i have the cast iron clutch reslease arma nd i didnt hear any werid nioses at any piont with this car or tranny . It looks like it should work, but it just doesn't!!!

Im so frustrated please help.

ALEX

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Could have oil on the disc from a leaking rear main, cam cover (V6) or tranny input shaft seal. Although I have never seen it happen in a Fiero, my tractor (1942 Ford 2N) has a leaky input shaft seal, and it causes the clutch to stick like crazy- so much that I have to block it open when I park it. I'll fix that someday...

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1986 SE 350 V8

Must be that time of year. It sounds exactly like my problem. See my posting starting 4/9 titled "still fighting the clutch master cylinder". Basically if you understand the hydralic system, you know that if there's no leaks & it doesn't work as designed, air got into the system. Something needs to be relpaced & then bleed. Mine only bleed completely using gravity & then it took overnight. I guess I introduced tiny air bubbles into the system with all the working on it that I did. Good luck to you.

My clutch quit like that right after engine install. Mine is an 86 and still had the welded together piece of crap clutch fork. After pulling trans, all the pieces that fell apart fell out. Newer one is one piece forged and is a direct replacement but you do also have to change the pivot shaft. Just something else to look at.

To be ABSOLUTELY sure you've really bled it completely, pop the slave bracket off (2 bolts - whooppee!), then push on the clutch pedal with one or two fingers. If it's rock hard, you've got it. If not, go back to bleeding.

This also allows you to point the nipple end of the slave upwards, and get the few bubbles that get stuck in the slave out.

Now granted I use a power bleeder (http://www.speedi-bleed.com/index.html), but it still applies to manual methods.

Also, do you have all your heat shielding in place? The way you describe time being on the highway... it sounds like you're getting percolation in the slave.

Have you inspected the rod that actuates the master cylinder (clutch banjo)? It could be bent or mounted upside down.

like i said, the push rod moves the poper amount. I've replaced all the hydolics. I've bleed over 10 fieros, and always been seccessful. So, i dont understand about the pulling the slave bracket off... i push on the clutch petal? and whats suppost to happen??? Anyway, the hydolics are ok, the petal is firmer.... possiably more then it should be. So if i had oil on the clutch it could stick? do i need to pull the tranny? am i going in the wrong direction? i'm at the piont where i could sell my last fiero if i don't figure this out... I am so pissed. Or unlucky.

HELP

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Silver 85 GT modified 5 speed
Black 87 GT Getrag 5 speed 7 speaker sound
RIP Black 85 coupe-parts
88 GT black auto PROJECT
SOLD! Blue 87 coupe

RIP 86 white coupe 49k miles (Unrecalled) Burned to the ground :-(

AIM: (please IM ME LETS TALK. I love to BS about Fieros) IAMKURTDCOBAIN (old sn cant lose it)

EMAIL : Anaverin@juno.com

Mine's at the gerage for the same problem. It got real difficult to get it to shift (not fully disengaged) then became impossible. On the highway, the off ramp specifically, the petal went to the floor. I let up and replaced pressure (last effort) and about half way it was rock hard. I pulled back again, pushed down and it went effortlessly. The clutch lever (from the slave to the tranny) was broken. Replaced that. My mechanic believes it's the clutch/pressure plate and release plate. He's replacing that (after finding that the part is rare, got in one he tells me is nascar grade) and will be done thuresday. Guess my starter broke also, but in a way that it was working until he pulled it. . .ok. I trust the guy, but sometimes i wonder. I guess it is like 70 some new, so i'll hit the boneyard and see what i can dig up.

Don't know if that helps any, but i didn't want to start another thread with this if your's is alreayd going.

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So do i have to pull the tranny? do i run any test before i do?
what do people think?

I had a similar problem with my 88. After replacing the slave (it looked questionable) and bleeding everything thoroughly without helping the problem, I pulled the tranny and found the lining on the clutch disc had come apart and wedged itself in the pressure plate which kept the clutch from disengaging. About 6 months later the exact same thing happened on a friends 84. I got real good at clutch changes! It sounds like you've checked all the external stuff pretty well. It almost has to be internal-either the release fork or the clutch itself.......

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Rod Schneider, Woodstock, Ga.
"You can't have too many toys!"
1988 Fiero GT
1966 Porsche 911

(Ever notice you hardly ever see a "Help-my torque convertor isn't working" thread?)

Well I'm reading all these threads because I finally have a manual shift Fiero and will need to know about them sooner or later. I'm waiting for a "Change a clutch with me" write up. I know it can't be as easy as the book makes it sound. Good luck to you Anaverin.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: I'm waiting for a "Change a clutch with me" write up. I know it can't be as easy as the book makes it sound.

Actually, changing the clutch isn't hard at all. It's *getting* to the clutch that's hard .

Just kidding, it really isn't too difficult. I didn't take pictures when I replaced mine, but I can give you a pretty good walkthough when the time comes to replace yours. This was the procedure I used: http://www.thefierofactory.com/88transaxle.htm

Of the "hundreds" of clutch problems I've had, all of them that acted like yours. On again, off again, it's been the hydraulic system. I know.......you've bled it and bled it. Check the lines for seepage and the flex lines especially. Good luck.

Phil

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hey. Well... I think i am going to have to pull it... tell me more about the clutch disk comming apart and getting stuck... anyone else had this happen???? it really was only intermittent the first day it happened... by the end of the first day it has been permenant. Like i said pushing in the clutch petal does nothing!!! i mean no change in engine rpm... no slipping... etc. I wish it were bleeding. what does a clutch that has come apart look like????? i love you guys.

GTdude... if its not hydolics does any of the other things people have suggested ring a bell for you?

Thanks
ALEX

(and to think, i WANTED a manual... So much that my last fiero i changed the auto out for one) (which worked flawlessly the first time btw... bleeding included.)

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Silver 85 GT modified 5 speed
Black 87 GT Getrag 5 speed 7 speaker sound
RIP Black 85 coupe-parts
88 GT black auto PROJECT
SOLD! Blue 87 coupe

RIP 86 white coupe 49k miles (Unrecalled) Burned to the ground :-(

AIM: (please IM ME LETS TALK. I love to BS about Fieros) IAMKURTDCOBAIN (old sn cant lose it)

EMAIL : Anaverin@juno.com

make a longer slave cylinder rod,

i say this only because, i know it works. but dont leave it in forever.

I put a modified one in and it disengaged perfectly, and through time, the clutch will be worn in properly, and at this point you wont need the modified rod, because the stock one will disengage the clutch perfectly,

It works, i dont know why, or for what reason, dont take my word for it.

Shoot, if you pay for shipping, i will make you a set of four rods in 1/4 inch incramints. (SP?)

email me if you want some

cambo@netexpress.net
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Cameron Hoag

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Year: 1987
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[This message has been edited by C DuBBz87GT (edited 04-21-2004).]

anyone else thing this will work?

It all depends whar the issue is..
I had a clutch explode and that was the ONLY resolve..(a new clutch)
I hope yopu find otherwise...
although I did the replacement myself....

im so screwed. :-P . how many people say pull the tranny and replace the clutch... that way i will have replaced the following in the last 3 months... engine... tranny... brakes... and all hydolics. whats left in a fiero

quote Originally posted by anaverin: im so screwed. :-P . how many people say pull the tranny and replace the clutch... that way i will have replaced the following in the last 3 months... engine... tranny... brakes... and all hydolics. whats left in a fiero

Having a new clutch is reallly nice....
where do you live I Bet a fellw fiero guru would come over and help if you have a supply of cold beer /hot coffee (depending on how hard the job goes ;0)

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