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What would cause a 85 V6 to start up, idle for a second or two and die? by Adrift
Started on: 03-03-2004 10:44 AM
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Last post by: ka4nkf on 03-03-2004 08:23 PM
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Report this Post03-03-2004 10:44 AM Click Here to See the Profile for AdriftClick Here to visit Adrift's HomePageSend a Private Message to AdriftDirect Link to This Post
What would cause a 85 V6 to start up, idle for a second or two and die, then throw the code 33 (MAP sensor)?
Especially considering the MAP sensor is new, and all vaccum lines have been checked for leaks and are OK.
IAC is also new, and throttle body and upper plenum have been cleaned.
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Report this Post03-03-2004 10:49 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero STSSend a Private Message to Fiero STSDirect Link to This Post
Sounds like the fuel pump relay or oil pressure switch. gets fuel while cranking engine but not after it starts.

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sounds like a fuel system problem to me, too. pressure ok?
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Report this Post03-03-2004 11:15 AM Click Here to See the Profile for chameleogazSend a Private Message to chameleogazDirect Link to This Post
I don't know about the code 33, but wouldn't timing being off (being REALLY off) cause the engine to die? Do you know if the timing's close to being where it should be?

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Report this Post03-03-2004 11:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PyrthianSend a Private Message to PyrthianDirect Link to This Post
I would say fuel pump, or something in the fuel system. clogged fuel filter maybe. get a fuel pressure gauage, start it up, and have someone read it for ya. the timing wouldnt have much to do with it, if its to far off, it wont start.
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Report this Post03-03-2004 01:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for wattsSend a Private Message to wattsDirect Link to This Post
For a real stretch...

Ignition module.

Sounds stupid (it's got spark!), but I had one car that did that (started and died) and it turned out that the module was fried. Something switches inside it over 400rpm that passes control to the ECM. If that fails, the thing will run up to 400rpm, then when it passes control the ECM no longer see pulses coming from the distributor so it shuts off the injectors. (?!).

What can I say - it happened!

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Report this Post03-03-2004 01:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for JncomuttSend a Private Message to JncomuttDirect Link to This Post
I get a similar situation almost every morning. The car starts fine, runs for a few seconds, then dies. I turn the key, it fires right up, and its fine for the rest of the day, weird.
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Report this Post03-03-2004 01:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TKSend a Private Message to TKDirect Link to This Post
Yep!

The ECM needs ignition pulses to keep the FP running. If the oil pressure switch is bad and the ECM isn't getting the pulses, it won't keep the pump running. What would happen is that at key on, the ECM will run the pump for two seconds to prime the system. Once the engine starts, the oil pressure switch never closes to run the pump and the ECM isn't getting ignition pulses so the engine dies.

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Report this Post03-03-2004 02:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Firefighter1Send a Private Message to Firefighter1Direct Link to This Post
Perhaps a clogged fuel filter?????????????/ Ed
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Report this Post03-03-2004 04:04 PM Click Here to See the Profile for AdriftClick Here to visit Adrift's HomePageSend a Private Message to AdriftDirect Link to This Post
Fuel filter is new, so thats not a problem Timing could be a posibility, but why the MAP sensor code?
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Report this Post03-03-2004 04:42 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mikey127Send a Private Message to mikey127Direct Link to This Post
The MAP sensor reports vitla data to the computer to adjust a multitude of things, like fuel flow, mixture, and so on.

I had a similar problem and the code 33 showed up. I replaced the MAP sensor, and it was fine.

Mine ran really rough, and would only perform with my foot on the floor. Look for cracked or missing vacum lines first.

MAO sensor will set you back 45-50$. But remember, the ECM will ony give a code to the effected part or area, that
doesn't mean that is the soultion.

mike

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Report this Post03-03-2004 04:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Stinkin_V8Send a Private Message to Stinkin_V8Direct Link to This Post
If it won't start up again right after it dies, it could be plugged exhaust.
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Report this Post03-03-2004 08:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ka4nkfSend a Private Message to ka4nkfDirect Link to This Post
It could be the ECM coolant sensor (not the gauge temp.) it tells the ECM when the engine is cold and to give it nore fuel. if everything works good after the engine is warmed up, then i would change the coolant sensor (ECM).
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