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Sensor Question by DaveL
Started on: 02-13-2004 10:49 PM
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Last post by: FrugalFiero on 02-14-2004 08:37 PM
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Report this Post02-13-2004 10:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DaveLSend a Private Message to DaveLDirect Link to This Post
I have a question about sensors. Since the car I drive (87 2.5) is 15 years old with well over 50,000 on the engine (Second 2.5, from a citation I think, also an 87) I have been replacing all the sensors gradually, one at a time. I don't think any of them have ever actually gone "bad" on me, except the temp. sending switch ( the guage sensor). The EGR was pretty dirty, but still seemed to work allright. I put on a new GM EGR, and am about to put in a new MAT sensor, also GM.
I guess my question is this, am I wasting my money? And how long is the expected life of the typical GM sensor of the day? They don't ever fail partially do they?
By the way, I have also saved all the old ones in case are ever needed.
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Report this Post02-14-2004 10:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sandersonSend a Private Message to sandersonDirect Link to This Post
Other than the oxygen sensor, I just run them til they die. I think the oxygen sensor can go bad gradually and that starts effecting mileage and power.

I'm the original owner on an '84 and throttle position sensor (car would barely run) , and one coolant temp switch have been only failures

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Report this Post02-14-2004 07:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FrugalFieroDirect Link to This Post
Keep all your old sensors, cause they are probably good! As long as the engine is running good with no check engine light, your money is better spent on preventive maintenance items like oil/coolant changes, filters and the like. Your EGR valve check is a good PM item to do, but more often than not they can be cleaned up without a problem. Some of those EGR valves can be expensive!

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Report this Post02-14-2004 07:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for theogreClick Here to visit theogre's HomePageSend a Private Message to theogreDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by FrugalFiero:
Keep all your old sensors, cause they are probably good! ......

Not.

The TPS is a moving part and wears considerably. 30-50,000 miles is allot for this item.
O2 sensors are only rated for abotu 30,000 miles.
MAT gets cooked pretty easily by even one backfire. Any error from the MAT can and usually will cause problems and often will not cause error codes.
ECT usualy holds up pretty well. The connector is pretty well sealed up so the terminals aren't prone to rot lie the older ones did. The sensor doesn't go bad often... usually the older style ones rotted out the terminals because they wer poorly sealed.
MAP uses a "solid state" pressure transducer that can and does go bad. It can become inacurate before it dies. There are ways to test this sensor that usually expose problems easy enough.

Most sensors can be bad and NOT throw any DTCs in the ECM at all. I've seen this happen first hand more than once. Most sensors can fail slowly and screw up the engine long before they register dead and throw codes. They can also throw false codes that point to other things being wrong. NEVER trust a DTC! Especially on these old OBD1 systems.

Now should you reaplace all them...

That's up to the owner. I did. Not sorry I did either. The MAT TPS ECT MAP and CPS have all been replaced. If you are planning to keep the car a long time then it's fairly cheap insurance against a problem.

Do the sensors have to be GM? No but they have to be a good brand. ACDelco is GM but you can get it from many parts stores and pay less than dealer prices. BWD (Borg Warner) and Bosch are both good.

EGR is pricey but this engine will give you headaches if that thing isn't right. ACDelco still carries the OE on as far as I know. (At least acording to the image on their web site.) A worn out EGR is a common source of backfires when you punch the gas. I have an OE EGR that seems to work right most of the time. Every so often it lets me know just how worn it really is. (Mine has 170,000 on it...) In many cases you can just clean the OE EGR and put it back on. New EGR gaskets are about a dollar. Always use a new gasket.

Don't buy "universal" EGRs that come with metering washers unless that is your only choice. These things all suck no matter what brand they are. I've seen these POS items croak in as little as 18 months more than once.

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Originally posted by theogre:


Don't buy "universal" EGRs that come with metering washers unless that is your only choice. These things all suck no matter what brand they are. I've seen these POS items croak in as little as 18 months more than once.

I got that one beat by 13 months. they SUCK!

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Report this Post02-14-2004 08:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FrugalFieroDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by theogre:


Not.

Now should you reaplace all them...

That's up to the owner.

No argument here, I am just speaking of my own experience with sensors. As sanderson said, I just run them until they die. I usually buy cars with 100k + on em, I have had very few actual bad sensors.

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