The main difference is the wiring like they've said. If you going to do it, you can change over the interior harness to the 85 and up interior harness. Then the V6 engine harness will plug right into the c500 connector. C500 is located by the battery on the later cars, and on the firewall somewhere on 84's. c500 joins the interior, taillight, and engine harness together. Get familiar with it if your going to attempt the swap. Some other differences are the fuel lines. They come out just under the battery on the 85-88 cars. I'm almost positive the 84's came out on the drivers side. I'm sure there's more. You in the right place. Good luck and welcome.
thanx for the replies (and the compliments on my sig, I do have another one as this one is borrowed but my hometown people can't seem to get he website up and running ???) neways, yes the 2.8 is out of an 88 fiero...but since this thread is still alive...can some1 tell me if my "duke's" valves are hydrolic or manual? (i.e do they need adjustment?)
thanx Marc p.s beware the new sig! buwahahahahahahahaha
Something else to keep in mind AKA is that the donor engine is from an 88 auto. This means that you will need a balanced flywheel. 88 was the only year in the fiero to have a balanced flywheel so be weary of where you get your flywheel.
Also I have taken measures to make the instillation a little easier for you. I've tried to keep as many of the pieces as possible all together.
On another note, will you be needing mounts, cables and such for the 282 you found?
Aaron
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Something else to keep in mind AKA is that the donor engine is from an 88 auto. This means that you will need a balanced flywheel. 88 was the only year in the fiero to have a balanced flywheel so be weary of where you get your flywheel.
Also I have taken measures to make the instillation a little easier for you. I've tried to keep as many of the pieces as possible all together.
On another note, will you be needing mounts, cables and such for the 282 you found?
Aaron
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yea thanx for the heads up!
Well, since I don't want you to waste too too much of your breath, here is the time-line... pick 'er up, grab a rebuild/gasket kit... find out if a camaro 2.8 ecu + elcectronics will work ('cuz I have an abundance of contacts in this area), pick up a flywheel from the fiero store put up a posting for a manual that will bolt up, work out the details....
I have the ecu from my car. It’s a little different from the getrag 282 ecu but only in the code, and I don’t think you would even have to do anything to it since you are going from auto to manual not manual to auto.
I know that others on this sight have switched in this fashion and said that they had no problem with the computer. Besides, if you use my ecu 3/4 of the wiring will already be done for you.
Aaron
. P.S. the work is on hold for me because my body told me to take a brake. I'll be back at it the weekend after this one comming.
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I have the ecu from my car. It’s a little different from the getrag 282 ecu but only in the code, and I don’t think you would even have to do anything to it since you are going from auto to manual not manual to auto.
I know that others on this sight have switched in this fashion and said that they had no problem with the computer. Besides, if you use my ecu 3/4 of the wiring will already be done for you.
Aaron
. P.S. the work is on hold for me because my body told me to take a brake. I'll be back at it the weekend after this one comming.
beauty guy! did you need a hand (my sched this weekend is full also, but next one I can clear up if you need me to!) btw, you wouldn't know what I would be paying for a 282 eh??
Well....looks like most of the questions have been answered. Id say if you're getting the V-6 engine and getrag tranny you won't need to order a flywheel because you'll already have it. You did say the engine/tranny was out of an 88 right??
Any fiero trans will bolt up so there are other options if you can't get the Getrag.
You will need to do some plubing to hook up a master/slave cylinder for the hydrolic clutch, pedals(obviously), linkages, shifter, ECM & wireing harness(not sure on the camaro wireing), reverse switch(for back up lights on some 4-speeds), engine and tranny mounts. You'll need to drill a few holes for the mounts to work on the 84 cradle. The 85+ have both mounting holes already. Theres a few other things I'm not sure on. The rad might need to be changed and I seem to recall a slight difference in the steering column but that might just be a problem if you were going to switch from a manual to auto.
There is a Fiero club in Ottawa. You can probably hook up with those guys personally for some help too.
The valve lash on your duke is not adjustable. I had one that made quiet a clatter because of varnish buildup around the lifters. When I tore it down it took quite a bit of force to get them out. You might try one of those oil detergent addatives to see if that quiets things down.
Welcome to the forum!!
David
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Her Fiero: 1984 2M4 Convertible
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Well....looks like most of the questions have been answered. Id say if you're getting the V-6 engine and getrag tranny you won't need to order a flywheel because you'll already have it. You did say the engine/tranny was out of an 88 right??
Any fiero trans will bolt up so there are other options if you can't get the Getrag.
You will need to do some plubing to hook up a master/slave cylinder for the hydrolic clutch, pedals(obviously), linkages, shifter, ECM & wireing harness(not sure on the camaro wireing), reverse switch(for back up lights on some 4-speeds), engine and tranny mounts. You'll need to drill a few holes for the mounts to work on the 84 cradle. The 85+ have both mounting holes already. Theres a few other things I'm not sure on. The rad might need to be changed and I seem to recall a slight difference in the steering column but that might just be a problem if you were going to switch from a manual to auto.
There is a Fiero club in Ottawa. You can probably hook up with those guys personally for some help too.
The valve lash on your duke is not adjustable. I had one that made quiet a clatter because of varnish buildup around the lifters. When I tore it down it took quite a bit of force to get them out. You might try one of those oil detergent addatives to see if that quiets things down.
Welcome to the forum!!
David
WOW!!! thanx man! ok so that answeres most(if not all) of my questions for the day...
I will have more don't 'chu worry! funny about the lifters eh? mebbe try some of that thick oil (Bardhal or something) anyways, if it is not a safety issue or detrimental to the cars driving, I usually turn up the radio anyways! lol
also, check what I did LAST night Well, once again the Fiero got a new part...
I finally found the oil breather that fits the "Duke", too bad it's Generic Brand O r a n g e
oil breather........to install it should take about 20 mins right?? NO!!!! not on a mine at least.... stoopid thing took 1.5 hours and a good chunk of my patience! Not only does the valve cover have to come off (now I need a gasket a.s.a.p.....) but the E.G.R valve and the T.P.S aswell...Oh, I fogot to mention that the old oil breather had snapped off into the valve train as I tried to remove the rest (of the oild breather), so that's why I had to remove the cover.
but in order to remove the valve cover I had to find all the bolts..found all but the final c**ksu*ing one was hidden under the E.G.R witch wouldn't come out untill the T.P.S was removed..
to make a short story long....after I had put it all back together, I had made a somewhat bonehead move....I had installed the T.P.S incorrectly and upon starting the engine raced up to 4200 rpm! (my redline is 4500 rpm) lol oh well, taking it back apart was a breeze the second time (I forgot to mention, I haven't got around to getting a manual for her, so right now it's trial and error )no more oil stink/leak and learned some more underneath the deck.....
yeah....something like that is a definite maintenance issue. Whoever had the car before you probably let the oil changes slide. It shouldn't cause any driveability problems other than the irritation of having the clatter behind your head. Nice that the '84s had the headrest speakers to cover that up with some tunes.
Get used to stuff taking longer than expected. 20 year old cars are just like that. Stuff breaks when you try and take it apart. You'll always finde **something** else that should be/needs to be replaced.
David
------------------ His Fiero: 1984 2M4 Coupe
Her Fiero: 1984 2M4 Convertible
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thanx for the replies (and the compliments on my sig,
You mean MY sig, that's my picture taken in my car.
BTW , please don't post your signature every reply, it goes against the rules, and is generally annoying for most.
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neways, yes the 2.8 is out of an 88 fiero...but since this thread is still alive...can some1 tell me if my "duke's" valves are hydrolic or manual? (i.e do they need adjustment?)
Duke rocker arms get torqued down to 24 ft/lbs.
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In these parts it’s likely going to be a non fiero Getrag for about $250 (I can get you a list of cars to look for). This would mean that you would need brackets for a front wheel drive to rear engine conversion. It might be worth your time to search out a 282 (from a fiero) that’s no good, just for the brackets (and cables, don’t forget the cables). If you have to buy the brackets new, it would likely cost you around 450 Canadian. Or if I have time this winter I might be able to make you a set for about $50.
It looks like your going to have to be more careful with your sig (here anyway).
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In these parts it’s likely going to be a non fiero Getrag for about $250 (I can get you a list of cars to look for). This would mean that you would need brackets for a front wheel drive to rear engine conversion. It might be worth your time to search out a 282 (from a fiero) that’s no good, just for the brackets (and cables, don’t forget the cables). If you have to buy the brackets new, it would likely cost you around 450 Canadian. Or if I have time this winter I might be able to make you a set for about $50.
It looks like your going to have to be more careful with your sig (here anyway).
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excellent! ok, I can see we will be good friends this winter eh? lol btw, didn't mean to step on anyone's toes with the sig...check the new one!
(this is the BEST fiero site that I have found neways!) thanx boys/girls a.k.a
to make a short story long....after I had put it all back together, I had made a somewhat bonehead move....I had installed the T.P.S incorrectly and upon starting the engine raced up to 4200 rpm! (my redline is 4500 rpm)
lol Thanx again! a.k.a
p.s Thanx for the warm welcome
Welcome to the forum!
Hehe, four cylinders are so much fun. I've had mine up to 6000 rpm two seperate times after I forgot to put the spring back on the throttle linkage for the carb. Oh well, it showed me just how fast that thing can rev up! Not more than 1/2 of a second after the thing it already had the tach almost pegged!
Anyway, the interior harness isn't too bad, if you have patience. It only took me two days of casual work to swap out mine with another '84 harness. It was a plug-and-play deal, really easy once the dash was off. I don't know if the connections are different under the dash for the 85-88's. Like KissMySS said, it does have the C500 connector.
Good luck with the swap!
Nate
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Some other differences are the fuel lines. They come out just under the battery on the 85-88 cars. I'm almost positive the 84's came out on the drivers side. I'm sure there's more. You in the right place.
